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kokusho_cmu
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: Hmm.... |
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| Ya know what I hate the most? People like this jackass who think the only decks worth playing are the ones the pros come up with. Nothing like copying something somebody else has already done. Why do people assume that decks which are not 1 of the 3 listed above are complete jank? If you stop and think about it those decks were rogue decks once too. Personally, I have more respect for anyone who tries to build a new deck and loses than anyone who copies a pro deck and wins. |
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jeremiah
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| yeah but can your rouge deck beat the current teir one decks thats what you have to find out espicially if your going to tak it to a large Tournament if it can go for it |
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kokusho_cmu
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: Thats true |
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| Thats what makes magic-league so good. You can try out all the rogue ideas for free and a lot of people do play the "tier 1" decks here, so you will be able to see how it fairs. You never know how well a deck can work before you try it, so I say build what you feel like building. If it falls flat on its face then so be it, but you never know when you are going to happen across something great and anyway this game should be for fun because 99.9% of us are not going pro. |
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jeremiah
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| the thing is i have been watching the threads the forums and the top 8 lists and none of them are hezzey or zoo and both of them are savage and can just win. I play zoo and my only hard matchup is rwu firemaine/godo control. i have a 50-50 against husk all day long and ther are no zoos or hezzy so i dont think this is a real way to look at a state metagame |
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Insanity
Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 164
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| jeremiah wrote: | | the thing is i have been watching the threads the forums and the top 8 lists and none of them are hezzey or zoo and both of them are savage and can just win. I play zoo and my only hard matchup is rwu firemaine/godo control. i have a 50-50 against husk all day long and ther are no zoos or hezzy so i dont think this is a real way to look at a state metagame |
Zoo and Gruul have been metagamed to death. Everyone runs mass removal now. |
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rods
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 22
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Hmm.... |
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| kokusho_cmu wrote: | | Ya know what I hate the most? People like this jackass who think the only decks worth playing are the ones the pros come up with. Nothing like copying something somebody else has already done. Why do people assume that decks which are not 1 of the 3 listed above are complete jank? If you stop and think about it those decks were rogue decks once too. Personally, I have more respect for anyone who tries to build a new deck and loses than anyone who copies a pro deck and wins. |
amen to that brother. |
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Lackeos
Joined: 10 Oct 2004
Posts: 236
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| Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Hmm.... |
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| kokusho_cmu wrote: | | Ya know what I hate the most? People like this jackass who think the only decks worth playing are the ones the pros come up with. Nothing like copying something somebody else has already done. |
There are three types of players
1) idiots who netdeck without using their head
2) idiots who think being rogue is all that matters
3) players who scrutinize all of their card choices
You're a 2, I'm a 3. Guess what, idiot, I know that rogue decks can make top 8. I watched the same guy top 8 two premieres with U/B Tron.
| kokusho_cmu wrote: | | Thats what makes magic-league so good. You can try out all the rogue ideas for free and a lot of people do play the "tier 1" decks here, so you will be able to see how it fairs. |
... no. The problem is that there's so many awful opponents on magic-league that your random rogue creation won't get crushed by great decks. On MODO, you have a great opportunity to lose to tuned decks played by people who have a lot of experience with them. On magic-league, people don't stick with decks, so they make more mistakes, and lose to your rogue pile.
| STiL wrote: | | completely disregarding certain archetypes (including every single deck containing Dissension cards) is stupid. |
did you make note of how many dissension cards were played in the top 8 of the master? ... 12 I believe. Like... some people will be playing Rakdos at Regionals, but that's fine because the deck is awful. Condemn and U/W Control will be the important changes.
| TugaMan wrote: |
These decks have done very well in the past:
Owl
Ghost Dad
U/R Vore
Also I heard that Sea Stompy is very popular in MODO |
No, Sea Stompy isn't popular. It's been about 35 matches since I've played it. But... I'm under the impression that it might've got play just before I got MODO.
Okay, so... Owl and Ghost Dad are the perfect anti-control and anti-aggro decks. Vore has completely crushing draws half the time and completely impotent draws (yes, moreso than the average deck) half the time. Basically, all three of these decks only win 50%. Anyone who playtests a deck and comes up with a 50% record should abandon the deck before regionals, so odds are the only people playing these decks just started playing them.
| TheRedZone wrote: | | And yes, Zoo + Husk are Tier 1. So is Tron. Hand2Hand I think may be, but then again Hymn doesn't own in every format it's in so maybe (just maybe) there is too much hype over H2H. |
Did you make note of how many B/W decks top 4'd the master? That's right, 4! |
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kokusho_cmu
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
Posts: 14
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: WTF |
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| Hey Lackeos, I thought you said that all of us on magic-league were complete assholes and you were leaving. If you hate us so much then why did you bother to come back and read how people replied to your post? Do you need our approval that bad? Did you mommy not hug you enough when you were a little kid? Aww, poor thing. Ok hot shot, stop being a pussy and tell us your real name so that when you win your regionals with your big mean COPIED pro tour deck we can all congratulate you for playing it safe. Oh thats right you're probably not going to finish any higher than a lot of the rogue decks that are going. I don't understand why you got to be such an ****. You don't know any of us. When did this game stop being about fun? |
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Tinefol
Joined: 09 Apr 2006
Posts: 64
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TaoMatShan
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 44
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Streakz wrote: | | because everyone loves talking to people like Craze and their definately are not clans on MODO where I actually speak with goodplayers daily (that was all sarcasm for anyone with an IQ below 10 that is reading this) |
If you have an IQ below 10, are you capable of reading? |
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Lackeos
Joined: 10 Oct 2004
Posts: 236
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| Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: WTF |
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| kokusho_cmu wrote: | | Hey Lackeos, I thought you said that all of us on magic-league were complete assholes and you were leaving. If you hate us so much then why did you bother to come back and read how people replied to your post? |
I said magic-league is awful for playtesting, and I stand by that, which is why I actually pay money to playtest elsewhere. I didn't say the league is full of assholes, but you're being an ****, and so am I, so that's a start I guess. and obviously I created this topic, so it'd be natural to check-up on it, but it's been a couple weeks since I played a game in the league. The point of the topic was to provide digested information about the shape of the format, so people can use their brain to figure out how to tackle it. But obviously the replies are just "lol, Owl is tier 1, I swear to God," and "rogieness is Godliness" so I guess I didn't accomplish anything.
| kokusho_cmu wrote: | | when you win your regionals with your big mean COPIED pro tour deck we can all congratulate you for playing it safe. Oh thats right you're probably not going to finish any higher than a lot of the rogue decks that are going. |
It's like the Ferrett said, both the competitive and casual communities think they're the good guys and the other side is evil. But you're the one that's completely flipping out on me, so... imagine how that reflects on you.
Here's the thing about playing it safe. People who go rogue usually play bad cards, poor mana base, poor mana curve (I say these based on all of the deck help threads), and they build their deck in a vacuum without playtesting hundreds of matches to spot the defects. Turns out that any time you just make up a sideboard, it works a little differently in action, then you have to rethink it, but the average rogue gamer usually doesn't playtest their deck so much that they spot the problem.
I don't register a copied decklist at tournaments, but I do maximize my chances of winning by constantly reassessing my deck selection and card choices, while playtesting infinite. That's playing it safe, and there's nothing wrong with it.
| kokusho_cmu wrote: | | When did this game stop being about fun? |
There are different types of players. Some want to go to PTQ's, Regionals, Grand Prixes etc. and finish in the money. Then there's the type that tries to make U/G aggro work in type 2. You're the second type. This thread clearly isn't meant for you. There's no need to come in here spamming 'rogue is better than netdecks, lol'. It's not like I go to church and spam "Jesus didn't exist, lol, there is no afterlife, lol, you're just hypocrites anyways. God doesn't even love you." ... That would be so effing funny, but obv I have no business doing that, because church isn't the place for it.
| Tinefol wrote: | yup, magnivore never makes top8  |
1 – kairan – UR Urza Control
2 – Statechamp – BGWu Control
4 – AikTheOne – BW Aggro
4 – TheCursed1025 – BW Aggro
8 – Tom_Y – BW Aggro
8 – LuckyBOB – BW Aggro
8 – Phyrexian War Turtle – BW Aggro
8 – MongT – Heartbeat Combo
That's a really relevant top 8. 7 of the decks are Tron/HnH/Heartbeat, and the remaining deck is a repeat top 8'ing rogue deck that obviously proved itself against some tough competition.
1 – domino23 – BGW Control
2 – YELLOWMEAT – White Weenie (red splash)
4 – noehcmaharbaluap – Unknown (concession)
4 – dosukoifait – RW Aggro
8 – Atomask – RG Aggro
8 – Statechamp – BGWu Control
8 – kairan – Unknown (concession)
8 – AirPower25 – UR Magnivore
This top 8 is a bunch of awful decks, and somehow Magnivore didn't make it into the semis.
But the more important fact is this: Magnivore loses almost half of its games to awful draws. But in some cases of flukes, it can catch easy opponents, the oppo can screw the same game that Vore does, etc.. It's a deck that randomly crushes oppos and randomly does very little. It's similar to bad combo decks because you're essentially throwing craps all tournament long, and sometimes you hit 7! 7! 7!
But using a quote from that same link to respond to posters about Dissension completely changing the metagame
Beyond these results, it appears at least from these early results, that the early Dissension Type 2 metagame will be almost exactly what the Guildpact Type 2 metagame is. For anyone who gives credence to the writer.
Obv this topic is about 8 minutes away from getting locked |
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kokusho_cmu
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: Ok |
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| I admit I was being an **** yesterday; I shouldn't have attacked your character, but don't go assuming that I play U/G aggro. I finally realized why you post pissed me off. reason number 1: it wasn't what you said as how you said it that pissed me off. You're entitled to your opinion, but you come in here and instead of giving advice you TOLD all of us that this was how it was; cut and dry; black and white. That's just not how it is; you are not going to gain friends and influence people if you attitude is, "this is how it is and if you don't like it then fuck off." Then of course the second reason I got pissed was you own attack on my character. I assure you that my deck is competative and it is definately not hand2hand, angel, or heartbeat. So, I'll be the bigger man here and apologize for my last post, but that doesn't mean I agree with you. Obviously, you think that you are going to go pro in magic and hey good luck to ya, but the rest of us play for the love of the game, so stop calling us all idiots and just state your claim without all the, "I am so much better than thou." bullshit. |
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