Zur's Control

Alandariel · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 145

Zur's Control

Lands
8 Plains
4 Adarkar Wastes
7 Island
4 Hallowed Fountain

Creatures
3 Tomorrow, Azami's Familiar
4 Descendant of Kiyomaro
4 Azorius Herald
2 Windreaver

Spells
4 Wrath of God
4 Faith's Fetters
4 Mana Leak
4 Compulsive Research
4 Remand
4 Zur's Weirding

Sideboard
4 Ivory Mask
3 Circle of Protection: Red
4 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Kami of Ancient Law

The idea (obviously) is to gain alot of life and lock them with Zur's long enough to beat for the win. It's really fun. Constructive input would be nice, but at least try the deck out before you start bashing it. It works pretty well.

Alot of my friends frowned on Tommorrow until they realized why she's in there. If you don't have a win strategy or you might need to draw a WoG to win you can't even drop Zur's Weirding. However, with Tommorrow it completely cancels out your opponent's choice to eliminate that topdeck. It's very nice and works extremely well with Compulsive Research. This is just one example of why you should test it before you bash it.

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 8:46 am Post subject:

With Descendant as main damage dealer, you should make ..very sure.. that it's 3/5 when you got the Weirding.
I#d recommend cutting a few Wrath of Gods and add Tidings.

Also, Your friends frowning on Tomorrow are correct. While Tomorrow doesn't kill your opponent, Keiga, Tide Star does.

With the full team of Zur's Weirding maindecked, I don't think that the speed advantage given by Remand is a good choice, either Hinder or Time Ebb will do much better imo.

Alandariel · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 145

Descendant isn't my main damage dealer, it's Windreaver. And the WoGs clear the board after Weirding hits the board. Cutting them would be extremely counter-productive. And no, Tommorrow doesn't kill them. It lets you draw the stuff that does like Windreaver and Descendant.

As for Remand, it's there because it stalls a turn and draws me a card. Hinder does have a bit of synergy with Weirding though and I've been thinking about sticking it in there. I'd have to cut Mana Leaks or Heralds though and I really don't want to. I'll have to test it a bit more.

Insanity · Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 164

I said it could be competitive with work... a few things;

First, Tomorrow is pointless. It's an unecessary and rather meh combo with zur's weirding. The biggest problem is that it costs 6. You can play much better things for 6. Also, you shouldn't NEED to draw when weirding is out anyway.

Since you're playing wierding, I would recommend dropping those for Time Ebbs. With wierding out, time ebb becomes removal. Without it out, it still stalls pretty well.

Remand seems like a poor choice for your deck. It's really only good in aggro decks or some kind of deck that benefeits from holding something off for a turn. Wierding doesn't stop things in their hand, so remand just semi-stalls for a turn and cantrips.

Since you're playing W/U and relying on your own life total for a lock with wierding, I'd suggest overrule instead. It has just as much stall in it as remand (gain life vs draw card), and has the capability to be a hard counter as well.

I don't really see the point of windreaver in your deck either. If you have descendant out with weirding, you win the game if they can't get rid of it (heck, you pretty much win with a herald out at that point). Wierding is a lock, so killing them quickly is kind of redundant.

I also think you need some more countermagic.

So, my recommendations would be:

-2 windreaver
-3 tomorrow
-4 remand

+3 Overrule
+3 Time Ebb
+3 Hinder

rods · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 22

looks so boring my clock went backwards when i was reading the list.

Sandler · Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 178

lol alandriel nice pic....Is that a gay guy or an ugly girl?

Banditking87 · Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 110

ddue this deck just isn't tier one, any kind of enchant kill will own ur weirding, the 3 color firemane weirding is much better on both board control and yes, quicker to the kill.

Alandariel · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 145

Why do the flames not suprise me?

You don't seem to understand the point of Tommorrow. You can't drop Weirding without a win in your hand. And if all you have is one win strategy in your hand all they need is a single Mortify etc. to make you lose the game. I played Overrule for awhile but took it out. However now that you put it in perspective I'm going to cut the Remands for Overrules. Also, the Windreavers are great if they have creatures out once Weirding hits the ground and it can win the game if they kill Weirding or I don't draw it. Time Ebb is nice though and I'm thinking of cutting Research for it. Thing is that Research really makes it hard for them to keep taking life from Weirding to cancel my draws.

Also, if this deck is so unexciting then why waste the time to think of a witty remark to tell me so? If you have such a problem with the way I look (which I would say is quite normal) then why do you bother to waste your time telling me so? I don't care what you think about me, and if your opinionated remarks don't have any relevance to the deck or constructive intent they are not welcomed here.

[EDIT] Banditking: Do you see the counters? Do you know what counters do? This mana base is much more stable than that deck's and I don't think you realize what a lock is either. Once they're locked it doesn't matter how long it takes me to beat them.

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:29 am Post subject:

if you have the chioce between tomorrow and keiga the time you play the Weirding, the choice is definitly on Keiga... since Keiga IS already the win while Tomorrow is not..yet.

However, I'd like to show you my list i built today,
an UWB Weirding Control deck
(first draft included confidant,okiba gang and hearald, but that was aggro :>)

4 Descendant of Kyiumaro
1 Akuta, Born of Ash
2 Windreaver
3 Kokusho, Evening Star

4 Wrath of God
2 Persecute
3 Remand
4 Mana Leak
2 Spell Snare
3 Mortify
4 Compulsvie Research
2 Tidings

3 Zur's Weirding

23 Lands, some of them Karoos (like 3), and Miren.

Insanity · Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 164

rods · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 22

just another deck with mass counters and mass removals, brilliant.
try making a deck without 4 wrath of gods (vomit) and decent synergy next time. "It's really fun", yeah right, as fun as watching paint dry.

Alandariel · Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 145

Uh, rods, was that another pointless comment I smell?

READ THE DECKLIST. It's not just any other deck. It's a themed deck with a strict strategy. If you're going to make a completely idiotic, uninformed statement at least make it amusing. Thanks.

rods · Joined: 25 Mar 2006 Posts: 22

read it carefully: its just another deck with mass counters and mass removals.

you're just too lazy or too stupid to make a decent deck without taking the easy path of counters and wrath of god.

Insanity · Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 164

barril · Joined: 03 Apr 2006 Posts: 4

This rods guy is right.
Stop crying about this, its only a thematic non-working deck! Smile