BLUE RED CONTROL

Cshedivy · Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Posts: 5

This is a deck in the works, i think when rotation comes it could become somthing competitive , but i could be wrong , i do enjoy playing it.

LAND 20 * maybe could use more
1 reliquary tower
2 desolate lighthouse
4 sulfur falls
5 mountain
8 islands

1 past in flames
3 divination
3bonfire of the damned
3 amass of compenents
3 index
4tempory mastery
3 gilded lotus
4 pristine talisman
4think twice
3 git probes
2 omniscience
2 whipflare
2 devastion tides

3 open spots

Omniscience in play , lets you cast all your hand for free, alot of draw spells, and you win the game by bonfires.

its really a basic idea now thrown togather.

ive been deck testing and iam like 15-24 , not that good of record.

i was also thinking a 2nd wincondition would be awsome,

Anyone have ideas for me Please and Thankyou

struikje · Joined: 11 Mar 2011 Posts: 108

allright, so basically the usual number of lands for a "normal" deck is 24. If you are ramp or control, you play more, if you are aggro (or just don't need much lands and got cantrips), you play less.

You want to play a 10 casting cost do nothing. By the time you get to 10 mana, you can cast every spell in your deck allready, there is absolutely no reason to play omniscience.

You can't cast x-spells (like bonfire) with omniscience for anything other than x=0. So basically your wincondition is 3 bonfires. You have literrally no other way to win, and don't even run counterspells to keep yourself from dying.

Index is a horrible card, the big difference between other cards like ponder/preordain, is that its not a cantrip, meaning you don't draw a card of it. It is just carddisadvantage at its finest.

I find it veeery hard to believe you won 14 games with this. How are the matchups vs delver/pod/zombies/UGr ramp/RG ramp/monogreen/...

GaryOak · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 15

out with omiscience in with worldfire
play some burnspells
out with index in with ponder
play some counterspells

massOass · Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 50

moscowdemon · Level 3 Judge Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 218

mass0ass - apparently you can't read either because the original posted list has cards that are rotating out to begin with. maybe you should point that out before going after someone mentioning ponder haha

xHourglass · Joined: 25 Jan 2012 Posts: 34

The biggest problem with brewing a deck for post-rotation is the fact that we don't yet what RtR has in store for us. Basically all you can do at the moment is build block-constructed control + M13, and of which there aren't any archetypical UR builds.

This being said, that's not to say that one can't be made. What you'll have to do is wait a month or so until Ravnica's spoiled so you know all what you're getting back from the rotation losses. But one can be brewed interim for sure, and I commend you for trying to be original and build a deck. Only way to learn.

Starting by looking at block constructed control in general, we have a few builds to look at. BUG control exists, as does 4-colour. UW Miracles won a PT, and friends of mine run a UWR build with bonfire and stuff that I personally like better than Hayne's UW. We were drinking with Hayne at GP Vancouver, lol, and he lamented his lack of bonfire's. That was back when no one had quite fully understood the powerhouse that was bonfire, for they were still $25-$30 each. But I don't think the deck will be viable, we'll have to see.

What else you could go, and what I see as truly working, would be to splash black for Grixis (BUR) control. Something like this:

That's post-rotation legal, obviously without any RtR cards. Start with that maybe, and tinker as RtR is spoiled. That would be my plan if I were you, but I could be crazy. It offers you real win-cons via planeswalkers while still being a control deck along the same lines as the list you posted.

As far as feedback on the build that you posted goes, struikje is very correct. 20 lands is far too few, control decks can run as many as 27-29 in very mana intensive builds. But 25-27 will probably be just fine. Win conditions are really needed, because otherwise you're just going to durdle around without actually winning the game. Play a planeswalker, ultimate him/her, and you'll almost never lose. Keep it simple. Struikje's points were all valid, so consider his advice and keep it in mind.

Cshedivy · Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Posts: 5

So you write to me like iam a noob/beginner

if was just a 5 minute deck idea ....

pretty much you have tons of draw spells, and you run into bonfires, and temporal masterys.

i used to play jingit taxis for attacka dn draws, thought maybe thundermaw,

i dont want to copy a grixis control deck, i want to use omniscirence in blue red

Iso1nano · Joined: 04 Jul 2012 Posts: 84

They see me trolling and hating trying to catch me writing dirty......

Ok first you asked for help omniscience is worthless in standard like whats his nuts said 10cc you can cast any spell in your deck before that and your playing 20 lands so you would have to draw more than 2/3's of your deck before hitting 20 lands most likely anyways cookies are better than muffins and goats will rule the world....

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
4 [CST] Plains (2)
3 [ST] Island (3)
4 [SOM] Seachrome Coast
3 [M12] Glacial Fortress
4 [SOM] Darkslick Shores
4 [ISD] Isolated Chapel
2 [ST] Island (4)
1 [M11] Island (4)

// Creatures
2 [MBS] Consecrated Sphinx

// Spells
3 [AVR] Temporal Mastery
4 [AVR] Entreat the Angels
4 [AVR] Terminus
3 [TSP] Think Twice
4 [M10] Ponder
3 [AVR] Tamiyo, the Moon Sage
2 [M12] Oblivion Ring
3 [MPR] Day of Judgment
3 [M12] Gideon Jura
4 [NPH] Pristine Talisman

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [M12] Negate
SB: 1 [NPH] Karn Liberated
SB: 2 [SOM] Revoke Existence
SB: 2 [SOM] Nihil Spellbomb
SB: 3 [NPH] Dismember
SB: 1 [NPH] Despise
SB: 1 [SOM] Memoricide
SB: 1 [NPH] Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 [ISD] Sever the Bloodline

O.o MEow

struikje · Joined: 11 Mar 2011 Posts: 108

well, did you know you couldn't cast bonfires from omniscience? From your opening post it seems that you think that when you have omnisciensce out, you just have to draw it.

I didn't really imply you being a noob/beginner, but really when I think of it now, the deck you built is just absolutely horrible, and doesn't follow the most basic rules for deckbuilding.

If you don't accept what I said, at least give an argument to why you think omniscience is any good in that pile of yours.

Cshedivy · Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Posts: 5

yes i know X counts as 0 all the time, but with past inflames you can do it from your graveyard. and with gilded lotus and pristine talisman, you ramp thru all the draw spells run thru all but 8 cards of your deck and have alot of mana, then extra turns, and bonfires win it.

just bonfires arent enough...at times

GreenBear · Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 504

The deck you posted is exactly what a noob beginner would post.

20 lands in a control deck, ravager affinity ran 20 lands and its curve ended at 2. Not only does this give the impression you are a noob beginner, it also gives the impression you are to stupid/lazy to look at other similar control decks and see for general reference how many lands they run, or what the curve of a control deck should look like.

You are playing unplayable actively bad cards ie index which is not constructed playable, if you do not understand why this card is so much worse than ponder probe etc. then you clearly are still a noob beginner still getting to grips with the theory behind the game.

Your deck is clearly far to slow and lacking a sensible ratio of card draw to threats to answers ratio, to ever really win a game. You have no curve, you have far to many card draw spells card draw does not count on a curve as it doe s not interact with your opponents game plan.

This really looks like an attempt to walk before you can crawl.

Cshedivy · Joined: 23 Jan 2012 Posts: 5

watch what happens when ponder leaves , index will replace it for miracles

judas_bcn · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 222

you say your deck is 14-25, so it may be 14-35 or worse. then you post it and it has all the lacks other people pointed. people who has at least done quite well in trials in here, which means nothing but that they at least know how to play this game. they try to give polite advice and you troll at them. and you are still stubborn enough to insist on the index thing. the least you could do is give them thanks and try some of their advice, then if you prove yourself right and your brew is better, then just come back here and tell everyone.

but i bet u anyone in here can brew a list in 5 minutes that absolutely destroys your pile. at least do yourself a favor and play 25 lands or more, even if you do not change anything else choose some 4-of and do them 3-of to increase your land count.

Yavimaya73 · Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 35

No wait...you should make this your deck..I am almost certain it's legal...

20 x Fireball
20 x Channel
20 x Black Lotus

legal that is if you are playing casual and if you have thousands of dollars for the Lotuses...