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Illicit Auction and Platinum Angel


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Ciberon



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last solution niknight provided isn't very good. The most cult player would bid graham's number (or something even higher) and win.
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ducttape4you



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot fathom how this would/should be handled, but I do not think a stalling call would be appropriate here, even if the player who cast illicit auction did intend to waste time. After all, stalling only applies to how you make your plays, not what plays you make. Making plays with the intention of taking a game to time is not illegal, whereas playing slowly to accomplish the same goal is.

Example: It is game 2 in a round where game 1 resulted in a tie and took a rather long time. As I result, there is little time for the rest of the round. I'm playing mono red, and reduce my opponent's life to 3 rather quickly, but he stabilizes the board. I'm holding a bolt, and am aware there are several minutes left in the round. Fearing I'd lose a g3 with the several minutes remaining, I do not bolt my opponent immediately, instead opting to play the game defensively (burning/blocking his creatures, not attacking, etc) until time is called, at which time I cast Lightning Bolt for the win.

The above is not cheating. Taking several minutes to shuffle everytime I pop a fetchland, counting the cards in my library when there is no conceivable reason to, or insisting on reading my opponent's Jace everytime he activates it is.
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niknight



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ducttape4you wrote:
I cannot fathom how this would/should be handled, but I do not think a stalling call would be appropriate here, even if the player who cast illicit auction did intend to waste time. After all, stalling only applies to how you make your plays, not what plays you make. Making plays with the intention of taking a game to time is not illegal, whereas playing slowly to accomplish the same goal is.

Example: It is game 2 in a round where game 1 resulted in a tie and took a rather long time. As I result, there is little time for the rest of the round. I'm playing mono red, and reduce my opponent's life to 3 rather quickly, but he stabilizes the board. I'm holding a bolt, and am aware there are several minutes left in the round. Fearing I'd lose a g3 with the several minutes remaining, I do not bolt my opponent immediately, instead opting to play the game defensively (burning/blocking his creatures, not attacking, etc) until time is called, at which time I cast Lightning Bolt for the win.

The above is not cheating. Taking several minutes to shuffle everytime I pop a fetchland, counting the cards in my library when there is no conceivable reason to, or insisting on reading my opponent's Jace everytime he activates it is.



You are correct in one thing... playing the game not to win is not stalling. However, this is what is not occuring in this case. Stalling does not mean playing slowly! Stalling has NOTHING to do with what specific plays he's making, or how long it takes to make those plays. Stalling has EVERYTHING to do with the reason WHY he's making those plays, or why it takes that long to make them.

Back at GP Boston in 2005, a Goblins player was disqualified for Stalling while he was playing against a Confinement player. The Confinement player had the lock down, and the Goblins player was still attacking his opponent. Even though he was playing very quickly (15 second turns), once the judge staff pulled his decklist and found that he had no way of answering the lock, he got the DQ. All of his plays were legal, and all of his plays were quick... but they were completely irrelevant to the game state.

Similarly here, pulling up the player's decklist would quickly see if he has a way to destroy Platinum Angel if his opponent won it with Auction. If the person does not have a way to destroy the Angel, it can be reasonably assumed that he is only entering the bidding process to waste the round clock... hence stalling.
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