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Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas Question



 
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LLSheep



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:49 pm    Post subject: Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas Question Reply with quote

http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=214065

Does Tezzeret's second ability ("-1: Target artifact becomes a 5/5 artifact creature.") wear off at end of turn?

Thank you.
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MTGmanLA



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it doesnt wear off.
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Farseer
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
611.2a A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability lasts as long as stated by the spell or ability creating it (such as “until end of turn”). If no duration is stated, it lasts until the end of the game.


No. The ability does not state that it ends "at end of turn".
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zebo_88



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Location: Phyrexia

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This makes me return in mind a thing that I asked myself that i'm not absolutely sure about. Let's take Inkmoth Nexus. I animate the Nexus then use Tezzeret's second, so nexus becomes a 5/5 flying infect, and at end of turn it becomes simply a 5/5 artifact creature land with nexus ability right? and then if you reactivate next turn it becomes 1/1 again for the layer stuff, but when the effect ends does it return a land with no abilities or a 5/5 artifact creature land? in my opinion it should be a 5/5 otherwise it shouldnt make sense it remained a 5/5 after the first transformation, but if you can explain me or confirm all the stuff i'll be grateful, i thought this was the right topic where to post this question, thanks.
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LLSheep



Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 35

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Beartholomew. This is the game that prompted this question.

Beartholomew plays Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas from Hand
Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas now has 2 (+2) counters.
Ichor Wellspring is now Artifact Creature
Ichor Wellspring is now 5/5
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
Beartholomew taps Ichor Wellspring
Beartholomew taps Ichor Wellspring
<Beartholomew> Ok
AllofUrNewbs puts Wall of Omens to Graveyard from Play
It is now turn 7 (AllofUrNewbs)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
<Beartholomew> End my turn
AllofUrNewbs untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
AllofUrNewbs puts Survival Cache to Graveyard from RFG
AllofUrNewbs's life total is now 23 (+2)
AllofUrNewbs draws a card
AllofUrNewbs is now the controller of Ichor Wellspring
Ichor Wellspring is now 0/0
Beartholomew is now the controller of Ichor Wellspring
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
AllofUrNewbs draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
<Beartholomew> No
<Beartholomew> Doesn't end at end of turn
Ichor Wellspring is now 1/1
Ichor Wellspring is now 2/2
Ichor Wellspring is now 3/3
Ichor Wellspring is now 4/4
Ichor Wellspring is now 5/5
<AllofUrNewbs> yes newb it is till the end of turn newb
<Beartholomew> No
<Beartholomew> Read the card
AllofUrNewbs plays Plains from Hand
<AllofUrNewbs> i know the real card idiot
AllofUrNewbs taps Plains
AllofUrNewbs taps Plains
AllofUrNewbs taps Plains
AllofUrNewbs taps Plains
<AllofUrNewbs> and own a set so stop trying to cheat idiot
AllofUrNewbs plays Kor Cartographer from Hand
AllofUrNewbs is looking its Library...
<Beartholomew> Let me find the ruling for you
AllofUrNewbs puts Plains into play from Library
AllofUrNewbs taps Plains
AllofUrNewbs shuffles library
AllofUrNewbs stops looking its Library...
<AllofUrNewbs> newb shut up
<AllofUrNewbs> you got busted eal with it or quit
<Beartholomew> Look
<Beartholomew> Up
<Beartholomew> The ruling
<AllofUrNewbs> delay of game loss
<AllofUrNewbs> in
<AllofUrNewbs> 10
<AllofUrNewbs> 9
<AllofUrNewbs> 8
<AllofUrNewbs> 7
<AllofUrNewbs> 6
<Beartholomew> Call a judge
<AllofUrNewbs> 5
<AllofUrNewbs> 4
<AllofUrNewbs> 3
<AllofUrNewbs> 2
<Beartholomew> Never a delay loss
<AllofUrNewbs> 1
<Beartholomew> Newb
<AllofUrNewbs> yes there is newb
<Beartholomew> You
<AllofUrNewbs> since sato got banned they changed the rulings
<Beartholomew> Tell me more
<AllofUrNewbs> owned again no shut the fuck up and leave idiot newb
<Beartholomew> If you leave, you lose
<Beartholomew> I'm looking up the ruling
<Beartholomew> I suggest you do the same
<Beartholomew> http://www.northwestmagic.com/forums/showthread.php?p=39177
<Beartholomew> http://draw3cards.com/questions/4039/tezzeret-agent-of-bolas-replacement-effect-on-artifact-activations
<AllofUrNewbs> level 2 judge newb now u lost fuck off
<Beartholomew> You lose if you leave
<Beartholomew> Because you know I'm right
<Beartholomew> And your pile can't handle a 5/5
<Beartholomew> http://tappedout.net/mtg-forum/general/tezzeret-agent-of-bolas-ability/
<Beartholomew> Find me ONE ruling where it says the ability wears off at end of turn
<AllofUrNewbs> u lost fuck off
<AllofUrNewbs> dumb shit newb
<Beartholomew> Lol
<Beartholomew> You just going to mouth off?
<Beartholomew> Pretend that you're not absolutely wrong
<Beartholomew> You KNOW you're wrong
<Beartholomew> That's what's funniest about it
<Beartholomew> Now you're trying to bluff your way out
<Beartholomew> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=214065
<Beartholomew> Read, newby
<Beartholomew> For a level 2 judge, you're remarkably ignorant
<Beartholomew> Now are you done your turn?
<Beartholomew> I'm waiting to beat you into the ground
<Beartholomew> Game delay loss incoming, "judge"
<Beartholomew> 10
<Beartholomew> 9
<Beartholomew> 8
<Beartholomew> 7
<Beartholomew> 6
<Beartholomew> 5
<Beartholomew> 4
<Beartholomew> 3
<Beartholomew> 2
<Beartholomew> 1
<Beartholomew> 0
<Beartholomew> You lose game 1
<Beartholomew> Ready for game 2?
<AllofUrNewbs> u lost retard
<AllofUrNewbs> again fuck off
<AllofUrNewbs> wrong spoiler and not knowing the real cards
<Beartholomew> What spoiler?
<Beartholomew> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=214065
<AllofUrNewbs> auto match loss dumbshit
AllofUrNewbs puts a 1/1 newb token into play
Beartholomew is now the controller of newb
<Beartholomew> Official website, "judge"
newb is now 0/0
<AllofUrNewbs> nope
AllofUrNewbs is now the controller of newb
<Beartholomew> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=214065
<Beartholomew> Gatherer
<Beartholomew> Official WotC website
<Beartholomew> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=214065
<Beartholomew> Go read, "judge"
<AllofUrNewbs> kid you know nothing about this game or real rules you should do yourself and the world a favor
<AllofUrNewbs> and kill yourself thus fuck off
<Beartholomew> I'm surprised you can communicate at all
<Beartholomew> Because you obviously can't read
<Beartholomew> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=214065
<AllofUrNewbs> level 2 judge newb
<Beartholomew> Oh, I'm sure
<AllofUrNewbs> youe fake cards and rules mean shit to me
<Beartholomew> Hahah
<Beartholomew> http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=214065
<Beartholomew> OFFICIAL WEBSITE
<AllofUrNewbs> no its not idiot
<Beartholomew> Oh really
<Beartholomew> Again
<AllofUrNewbs> ral ruling come from our judge site
<Beartholomew> Link it
<Beartholomew> Go ahead, I'm waiting
<AllofUrNewbs> can not you are not a judge idiot
<AllofUrNewbs> thats why you idiot newbs need to learn the game
<AllofUrNewbs> trying to cheat a judge bitch plz
<Beartholomew> Your lies are intricate
<Beartholomew> And very transparent
<AllofUrNewbs> u lost keep on and i will have your dci banned
<Beartholomew> Hahah
<Beartholomew> Please
<Beartholomew> Do it now
<AllofUrNewbs> you know nothing about this game or computers
<Beartholomew> I suppose you're tracking my IP right now?
<Beartholomew> You know exactly where I am, right?
<Beartholomew> You've already cracked into my bank accounts!
<AllofUrNewbs> scanning your ip newb waiting for the info to come back
<Beartholomew> Oh no!
<Beartholomew> If you can tell me what country I'm in
<Beartholomew> I will be very, very surprised
<Beartholomew> I will wait for you to "scan my ip"
<Beartholomew> Any minute now, right?
<AllofUrNewbs> everything is done your local TOs are now aware of yuor actions and putting in a 6 month ban have a nice day dumb shit newb
<System> Player Lost

Hilarious, or sad?
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Mod_Counter



Joined: 03 Aug 2008
Posts: 43

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG, wow, how can people be so impolite, it makes me sad.
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Farseer
Level 3 Judge


Joined: 03 Oct 2004
Posts: 335

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If that game was on MWSGames.net, let it be a lesson to you never to play there again!

We're (generally) much nicer here on Magic-League! Smile

Plus, you have access to judges for immediately solving your rules disputes at #judges4you!
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Nixus



Joined: 08 Jan 2008
Posts: 12

PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best part was when he gave you the noob token. =p

Sorry you had to deal with that.
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thedarkness



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hilarious. Very Happy
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magicman85



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Posts: 555

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry bro, im a level 2 judge.and you got a game loss for delay.
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magicman85



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Posts: 555

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

magicman85 wrote:
Sorry bro, im a level 2 judge.and you got a game loss for delay.
. Put a noob token into play.
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eternal42



Joined: 22 Sep 2006
Posts: 81

PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel dumber for having read that log. How can people be so ignorant and rude? Oh well, he'll probably feel like an idiot when he later learns that the effect doesn't wear off at end of turn. Well, one can hope he'll learn at least.
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Semaj



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AllofUrNewbs puts a 1/1 newb token into play
Beartholomew is now the controller of newb
<Beartholomew> Official website, "judge"
newb is now 0/0

I'm sorry but that was golden
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