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T2 Venser Bant


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PsychotroOps



Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 6:53 am    Post subject: T2 Venser Bant Reply with quote

Built a Venser deck on Bant basis

// Lands
2 [SOM] Island (1)
5 [SOM] Forest (1)
4 [WWK] Celestial Colonnade
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
3 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
2 [SOM] Plains (1)
3 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats

// Creatures
3 [M11] Frost Titan
4 [M11] Acidic Slime
4 [ROE] Sea Gate Oracle
4 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
4 [M11] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
3 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 [SOM] Venser, the Sojourner
3 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
4 [WWK] Explore
4 [M11] Mana Leak

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [M11] Obstinate Baloth
SB: 3 [M11] Negate
SB: 3 [SOM] Tumble Magnet
SB: 3 [SOM] Volition Reins
SB: 3 [ZEN] Kor Sanctifiers

I guess main deck is near optimal build but i still take suggestions and need help with sideboard. Thx!
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P_P4E



Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 579

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a 1 of contagion engine might be good here. It auto-scoops elves and white affinity while also not being dead against anything else in the format as it double proliferates your planeswalkers.

why not diversify the titans? Frost is very good, but so is primeval and sun.

I think spell pierce is superior to negate in this metagame. You're going to want to stop a pyroclasm early or an on time jace or koth, and it does those better than negate does.

What's tumble magnet good against? White affinity? Wouldn't something like nature's claim be better? Or Condemn?

i can see there isnt much maindeck space, but getting a couple trinket mages in there and a brittle effigy and one of the black spellbomb (probably board) as I can probably tell that vengevine is the best card against this deck.

Great deck though. Glad to see venser have a home.
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PsychotroOps



Joined: 31 Oct 2008
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frost Titan offers control and helps mana locking with slime.
Tumble magnet is very nice to handle aggro decks like rdw and helps keeping venser alive while you can recharge it with him.

Going to try contagion engine and spell pierce. Thx.
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gypsy



Joined: 15 Jun 2007
Posts: 1671

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck.asp?deck_id=690447
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AppleofEris



Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 553

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a gripe that has nothing to do with your build, which I'm rather neutral towards (it honestly looks like a good list, I just really hate control).

Why call the color combination Bant? I mean, Alara just rotated out... at any rate, I would have no problem with you calling this Simic/Azorious as Ravnica was probably one of the best blocks in a very long time. Alara just...sucked.
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AppleofEris



Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Posts: 553

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a gripe that has nothing to do with your build, which I'm rather neutral towards (it honestly looks like a good list, I just really hate control).

Why call the color combination Bant? I mean, Alara just rotated out... at any rate, I would have no problem with you calling this Simic/Azorious as Ravnica was probably one of the best blocks in a very long time. Alara just...sucked.
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gypsy



Joined: 15 Jun 2007
Posts: 1671

PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simic azorious selesnya, what an awesome name so much easier than saying bant
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toguppy



Joined: 03 Sep 2004
Posts: 362

PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cause there arent as many 3 colour decks out there. the only benefit is vs valakut. want to ramp out fast for an early slime or titan.

also... dont feed the trolls.

also deck suggestion....

fauna shaman to search out the pieces.
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toguppy



Joined: 03 Sep 2004
Posts: 362

PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is the list i am trialling atm fyi
thought u might be interested in a more erm toolbox list? the only things in doubt are the gideons and if they should be monuments or not,

// Lands
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
3 [ZEN] Island (4)
4 [SOM] Seachrome Coast
3 [ZEN] Plains (6)
4 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket
6 [ZEN] Forest (2)

// Creatures
1 [M11] Sun Titan
4 [M11] Frost Titan
4 [M11] Acidic Slime
2 [ROE] Mul Daya Channelers
1 [M11] Sylvan Ranger
4 [M11] Fauna Shaman
4 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
4 [B] Birds of Paradise
4 [ROE] Joraga Treespeaker

// Spells
2 [SOM] Venser, the Sojourner
3 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel
1 [ROE] Gideon Jura

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [ROE] Gideon Jura
SB: 1 [ROE] Linvala, Keeper of Silence
SB: 4 [SOM] Leonin Arbiter
SB: 1 [SOM] Nihil Spellbomb
SB: 4 [M11] Negate
SB: 1 [WWK] Terastodon
SB: 2 [M11] Baneslayer Angel
SB: 1 [FD] Trinket Mage
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toguppy



Joined: 03 Sep 2004
Posts: 362

PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yer to do with the channelers. I'm kinda looking for the kotr replacement and that is as close as i can find in this format.
it also allows for titans on turn 3 or 4.
I was running vengevine actually in this list but i just didnt find it that usefull compared to a frost titan. perhaps running the v.v. with a singleton skyfisher maybe?
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Merlknight



Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 7

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Creatures: 24
Birds of Paradise x 4
Fauna Shaman x 4
Lotus Cobra x 4
Kor Skyfisher x 1
Vengevine x 4
Acidic Slime x 2
Sphinx of Lost Truths x 1
Sun Titan x 2
Frost Titan x 1
Primeval Titan x 1

Planeswalkers: 5
Venser x2
Jace v2 X3

Enchantments: 2
Jounery to Nowhere x2

Instants: 4
Mana Leak x 4

Land: 25
Misty Rainforest x4
Verdent Catacomb x2
Sunpetal Grove x2
Stiring Wirewood x2
Celestial Colonade x 4
Plains x 3
Island x 3
Forest x 5

Total: 60

Thats what I'm running this weekend. In testing so far, the vengevine is the added awesome from the original build that lets the deck have 2 different modes to follow. If you don't get shaman, you prolly have the cobra + a titan. Otherwise you might not have wanted to keep the hand. Blinking a sphyinx is pretty neat too so I added him for tricks. Plus flying blockers are awesome.
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