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Not so much a rules question as a question for the judges



 
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Luckra



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Posts: 45

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a judge but its up to both players to clarify callings such as that. Second off technically just saying jace is not a legal call as its not a call. So if you ever have your opp play a needle naming jace just make sure to ask them to clarify, but as a player if someone names jace in most matchups it's clear that they mean mind sculptor. and if your trying to say he didn't clarify it your just being an ass, unless for some reason you run both which then when they played it you should ask for clarification. Anyway its probably more the person who played the needles responsibilities to properly call a card but its still your responsibility to clarify
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OilSlick



Joined: 30 Aug 2009
Posts: 75

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know the answer, but I have a question for whoever knows.
If you don't know the exact name of the card, can you just say what it is by explaining it? For example "Emrakul, the aeons of torn" can you say the "eldrazi guy that gives you an extra turn etc.."
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Shinato



Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 108

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pretty sure you don't have to say the exact name and can describe the card. It has to be clear however which card you mean.
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Shooter
Level 1 Judge


Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Not so much a rules question as a question for the judge Reply with quote

ck3gds wrote:
Is it my duty or his to ensure that the card named is unambiguous?


yes.
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JoshJ
Level 1 Judge


Joined: 14 Aug 2008
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PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a rule that players can, at any time, call a judge over and uniquely identify a card via abilities, cost, and so forth. As such, you only have to uniquely identify a card; you do not have to get the name right.

"Jace" is ambiguous. "Four Mana Jace" is perfectly fine, as is "Jace that Brainstorms".
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Clariax
Level 3 Judge


Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 174

PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is both player's responsibility to ensure that a card is properly named. There is an unfortunately altogether too common idea among some players that if player A is unclear about something than his opponent gets to interpret his unclear actions however he wishes (which not surprisingly means whatever is bets for player B).

Either party attempting to use the ambiguity to their advantage is a good way to get themselves DQed, so it is always in either player's best interest to point out the problem as soon as it is noted (telling the other player, calling a judge, etc.).
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nchawk
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Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be fully identified as the NAME of the card, or a name both players agree on that removes all ambiguity from the situation.

As laid out above, anything that distinguishes one jace from another will be fine.
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