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TheGODehT



Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 91

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Best Jund Reply with quote

So I'm finally moving over to the darkside.... I decided runeflare combo is too inconsistent/fragile for my liking and I'd like to start playing jund.

I'm trying to figure out which jund list would be best for my meta. I generally play at a place with:

4x Jund
4x Vampires
3x U/W Control
2x RbDW
2x Eldrazi Green
1x UWr Control
1x Money.dec
1x Bant
1x WW mystic
1x Runeflare Combo
10x Jank

I really want to build the best version of jund possible and I've been testing several different versions. I definitely want to run 26 or 27 land (opposed to the old 25), and I think I want to include bituminous blast because I really like how it plays even thought it is a dead card in a few match-ups.

This is the list I've been testing and thinking about running:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// NAME: jund

// Lands
3 [M10] Dragonskull Summit
2 [H09] Forest
2 [WWK] Lavaclaw Reaches
2 [H09] Mountain
1 [ZEN] Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
4 [WWK] Raging Ravine
2 [H09] Rootbound Crag
4 [ALA] Savage Lands
3 [H09] Swamp
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs

// Creatures
4 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
2 [ALA] Broodmate Dragon
4 [ARB] Putrid Leech
2 [M10] Siege-Gang Commander
4 [ALA] Sprouting Thrinax

// Spells
2 [ARB] Bituminous Blast
4 [ALA] Blightning
2 [DDD] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [M10] Lightning Bolt
3 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
2 [ARB] Terminate

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [ZEN] Goblin Ruinblaster
SB: 3 [M10] Great Sable Stag
SB: 2 [ARB] Thought Hemorrhage
SB: 3 [M10] Dragon's Claw
SB: 3 [M10] Deathmark
SB: 2 [WWK] Chain Reaction


It seems pretty good, but I'm not convinced that this is the list I should take. As for the manabase... I've been green screwed about 2 games out of the first 20 test games (but one of those was to a bad call on the no mulligan). There are other little changes to the deck I was considering but I'm not sure about.... Should I add 2 of rampant growth and take out the terminates? Should I switch up my SB a little bit?

I would be extremely grateful for any constructive criticism ML has for me as I am brand new to running jund. Thanks a bunch for your help. Smile
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Tao



Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 864

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would play Rampant Growths before I'd start adding in Bit Blasts; they just aren't cutting it anymore.
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Vedrfolner



Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 2325

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering your meta includes so many decks that runs and partly relies on artifacts (equipments, chalice, monument) , the 4th pulse + 1 other artifact removal card would be better than the Chain Reactions in side imo.
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Epic-Juzam37



Joined: 09 Jul 2005
Posts: 70

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would take out the leaches add in a brood a scg and 2 growths for their spots remove the bit blasts for another 2 growths or borderland ranger,
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gypsy



Joined: 15 Jun 2007
Posts: 1671

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Epic-Juzam37 wrote:
i would take out the leaches add in a brood a scg and 2 growths for their spots remove the bit blasts for another 2 growths or borderland ranger,


putrid leech is too good
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Eldar



Joined: 27 Nov 2006
Posts: 435
Location: Rochester

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would cut bit blast and terminate and put those slots to either rampant or borderland ranger. Ranger is great in the mirror too against blightning. In my current jund list I am main decking 4 ruinblaster and I run 3 SGC and 0 Broodmate and it works great for me. I don't run leech nor do I ever want to and I say this because I don't run cards that I don't want to cascade into. Hope this helps a bit.
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McBallin



Joined: 16 Feb 2010
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eldar you dont like playing 4/4's on turn 2? dumbest thing ive ever heard
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TheGODehT



Joined: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 91

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the comments/suggestions everyone! Smile

I've made some changes.... Bit blast does seem pretty bad now :/

I took terminates completely out.... I hope that isn't an issue as manlands are pretty good (and out of reach of deathmark) and I have little to no way to kill abyssal persecutor successfully, but I guess I shouldn't worry about that too much....

Here's the new list:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// NAME: jund

// Lands
3 [M10] Dragonskull Summit
2 [H09] Forest
2 [WWK] Lavaclaw Reaches
2 [H09] Mountain
1 [ZEN] Oran-Rief, the Vastwood
4 [WWK] Raging Ravine
2 [H09] Rootbound Crag
4 [ALA] Savage Lands
3 [H09] Swamp
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs

// Creatures
4 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
3 [ALA] Broodmate Dragon
4 [ARB] Putrid Leech
3 [M10] Siege-Gang Commander
4 [ALA] Sprouting Thrinax

// Spells
4 [ALA] Blightning
2 [DDD] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [M10] Lightning Bolt
3 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
2 [10E] Rampant Growth

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [ZEN] Goblin Ruinblaster
SB: 3 [M10] Great Sable Stag
SB: 2 [ARB] Thought Hemorrhage
SB: 3 [M10] Dragon's Claw
SB: 3 [M10] Deathmark

I added the 2 other ruinblasters because I thought they were pretty essential in several match-ups.... Chain reaction is pretty much only good against mono green, green white, or some mono white decks.

Comments? Smile?
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Eldar



Joined: 27 Nov 2006
Posts: 435
Location: Rochester

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McBallin wrote:
eldar you dont like playing 4/4's on turn 2? dumbest thing ive ever heard


How about you learn to read before u just flame me in a post? Hmm sound good? I don't run leech NOT because I don't like a 2/2 on turn 2 that swings for 4 on turn 3 potentially but because leech is 99% of the time a bad card to cascade into over some other spell.

It is also a meta call whereas my meta is lots of agro and midrange where leech sucks. I don't face many control decks and jace decks because people can't afford to build them.

It is people like you that cause decks like jund to get that negative stereotype and become the monster of t2 that everyone plays. You are clearly the typical monkey that doesn't put any thought into the deck and just play the same 75 week in and week out without any regard to metagaming. So please next time at least read what I type before you post. Thanks

@TheGODehT: I like the changes and I think that the small tunings will work out better for you. I advise that you pay close attention to your meta and tweak the deck accordingly if you plan to face lots of agro/control or lots of mirrormatch. In my testing I dislike broodmate severly in the mirror and eventually due to the large likelihood of playing the mirror I cut them altogether. But like I said this is purely a metagame decision and while many people are saying jund is no longer "the best deck" I still think that with the right tweaking it still holds that spot.
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Raves



Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 43

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would run WW with your metagame.
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Sigil



Joined: 07 Oct 2009
Posts: 92

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raves wrote:
I would run WW with your metagame.


Fer sure. Seconded. 3x Celestial purge mainboard for that, too.
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cmc
Level 3 Judge


Joined: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 61

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eldar wrote:
McBallin wrote:
eldar you dont like playing 4/4's on turn 2? dumbest thing ive ever heard


How about you learn to read before u just flame me in a post? Hmm sound good? I don't run leech NOT because I don't like a 2/2 on turn 2 that swings for 4 on turn 3 potentially but because leech is 99% of the time a bad card to cascade into over some other spell.


yes cascading into rampant growth is so much better than a leech...owait
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Alphakiller



Joined: 26 Oct 2008
Posts: 166

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my testing I dislike broodmate severly in the mirror and eventually due to the large likelihood of playing the mirror I cut them altogether.


... what cards in jund make broodmate sub-optimal?

vs sprouting thrinax: completely outclassed. block the thrinax, block two tokens, attack for 4 and block. but usually it just keeps the thing held back.

vs any form of removal. yay! you just got a free 4/4 dragon after trading for a removal spell. that's a 2-for-1. or, you made them use two removal against just one of your cards. that's a 2-for-1.

vs broodmate dragon: tied... duh.

vs bloodbraid elf: a 3/2 and a removal/(3/3)/(2/2)/land fetcher vs two 4/4's. may be a two-for-two... but it's obvious who has the better advantage here.

vs lightning bolt: yeah... no.

vs goblin ruinblaster: you're at 6 mana. ruinblaster is unimportant. ruinblaster is a 2/1... you have two 4/4's. guess who wins?

vs putrid leech: you block with a 4/4, and you lost a dragon, but they lost a card and they lost 2 life. you're left with a 4/4.

vs (not as common) chandra nalaar: chandra pays 4 to get rid of dragon, you attack chandra. the only good thing for him is that he saved himself a bunch of damage... still you have superior field prescence.


my general question with the broodmate dragon in the mirror is this: how often do you LIKE facing the broodmate dragon?
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JustKenny



Joined: 28 Sep 2008
Posts: 103

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

with your meta it seems as tho WW will shortly take over its just the best call. If it does i have found that BOP are surprisingly good in the sb. Call me retarded if you like. also the 6/6 demon is a great replacement for bit blast.
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Insom



Joined: 19 Dec 2008
Posts: 433

PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 6/6 demon is card disadvantage and bad. What deck is bit blast dead against? Every one is running midrange these days and even UW control relies quite a bit on colonnade. More instant speed answers to sparkmage are always nice. Especially if they occasionally grab you a BBE and blightning/thrinax in the process.
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