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WUg Ally deck



 
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vitorrioz



Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:00 pm    Post subject: WUg Ally deck Reply with quote

First off, I'll make it clear that I am aware that Allies are not Tier 1, however at this point my work schedule doesn't allow me to do much other than FNM so that's not a -huge- concern to me, and I do believe they will have potential depending on the cards in the next set, and the meta once Alara phases out.


// Lands--24
5 [M10] Island (2)
2 [WWK] Halimar Depths
2 [ALA] Seaside Citadel
3 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
5 [M10] Plains (4)
3 [M10] Forest (3)
2 [M10] Glacial Fortress
2 [M10] Sunpetal Grove

// Creatures--22
2 [ARB] Dauntless Escort
3 [ZEN] Kazandu Blademaster
3 [WWK] Talus Paladin
2 [ZEN] Sea Gate Loremaster
3 [WWK] Jwari Shapeshifter
3 [WWK] Hada Freeblade
2 [WWK] Harabaz Druid
2 [ZEN] Turntimber Ranger
2 [ZEN] Umara Raptor

// Spells--15
3 [M10] Garruk Wildspeaker
2 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
2 [ARB] Stormcaller's Boon
3 [M10] Ponder
2 [WWK] Join the Ranks

Haven't worked out a sideboard yet. I'm really only interested in constructive criticism. Information about how to improve my deck is good, information such as "that card sucks" or "that deck will never be tier 1" is unnecessary and unwanted. I appreciate any help or insight that you can give me.

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Oop



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly I am pretty sure junk or american would be better than bant... blue really doesnt bring much to the table other than Jace... the shapeshifting is too much of a requirement in a meta strewn with bolts... but just my opinions Razz
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vitorrioz



Joined: 13 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry, junk? I'm assuming american would be WUR, I'm not all that familiar with terms these days I've been out of the loop for a couple of years. also what do you mean by shapeshifting?
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Oop



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah sorry, only had a second to make a post... but i was messing with allies a lot once WWK came out and I think junk is probably the best followed closely by american... Junk gives you Bala ged theif (the best ally) as well as allowing access to mealstrom pulse and the Brigand if your aiming for your deck to be really aggressive...

Going american gives you Bladeslinger and Warlord both of which are completely stupidly overpowered when combined with join the ranks.... and you also get the usual red stuff... bolt, chandra, whatever other red burn you want to keep it fast

I would highly suggest trying either of those Smile

But play what you want and what you think is fun... If there was lightning greaves in this format I think I would try blue... just for Loremaster actually doing something, but he never untaps Razz
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R3wind



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list is a little random for my tastes. Cut the green. You should play 4 of the most aggressive cards like, Raptor, Blademaster, and the one drop guy. Cut the higher cost allies for the more agressive ones. More removal would help. 3 each of Path to Exile and Oblivion Ring. Obv you will side out O-Ring vs deck with Maelstrom Pulse. This deck has issues with mass removal so you need a few counterspells. 3 each of Negate and Cancel should protect your board.

As for your Planeswalkers, 3 each of Elspeth and Jace should do it. Try to work in some fetch lands so you fix your hand better with Jace.

Game plan should be drop 2-3 guys with counter and removal backup. That's why I would say a lower curve and cutting green is going to help get you there. Look up some counter rebel lists of the past for a basic framework.
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Bantos86



Joined: 28 Nov 2009
Posts: 209

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oop wrote:
Yeah sorry, only had a second to make a post... but i was messing with allies a lot once WWK came out and I think junk is probably the best followed closely by american... Junk gives you Bala ged theif (the best ally) as well as allowing access to mealstrom pulse and the Brigand if your aiming for your deck to be really aggressive...

Going american gives you Bladeslinger and Warlord both of which are completely stupidly overpowered when combined with join the ranks.... and you also get the usual red stuff... bolt, chandra, whatever other red burn you want to keep it fast

I would highly suggest trying either of those Smile

But play what you want and what you think is fun... If there was lightning greaves in this format I think I would try blue... just for Loremaster actually doing something, but he never untaps Razz


I really wish people would stop claiming Bala Ghed Thief as the best ally. It becomes useless when the opponent has no hand, while Talus Paladin and most other Allies aren't useless. It also doesn't grow at all.
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vitorrioz



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey thanks for your input. I'll try all of those suggestions. And while it is true I'm not looking to make a tier 1 ally deck at the moment, I want it to be somewhat competitive. I have a feeling allies can/will be tier one in the future so I'm looking at making a groundwork I can expand on until I hit the magic zone. So I'll drop green as I'm pretty much with you on that one, I'll just miss Garruk. So I'm thinking WUb? or should it be WBu? thanks for helping me. Very appreciated.
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Insom



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WR
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vitorrioz



Joined: 13 Nov 2007
Posts: 23

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So this is what I'm testing at the moment, haven't had much time to test, only got two matches in both of them mill decks, both of them lost to me.


// Lands
3 [M10] Glacial Fortress
5 [M10] Plains (4)
5 [M10] Island (2)
3 [ZEN] Scalding Tarn
3 [ZEN] Arid Mesa
3 [M10] Mountain (3)

// Creatures
2 [WWK] Talus Paladin
2 [ZEN] Sea Gate Loremaster
2 [WWK] Jwari Shapeshifter
4 [ZEN] Kazandu Blademaster
4 [WWK] Hada Freeblade
4 [ZEN] Umara Raptor
2 [ZEN] Kazuul Warlord
3 [WWK] Akoum Battlesinger

// Spells
3 [WWK] Join the Ranks
2 [WWK] Jace, the Mind Sculptor
4 [M10] Negate
2 [M10] Lightning Bolt
2 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
2 [CFX] Path to Exile

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [ZEN] Kabira Evangel
SB: 2 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant
SB: 2 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension
SB: 2 [ARB] Meddling Mage
SB: 2 [M10] Manabarbs
SB: 2 [ZEN] Devout Lightcaster
SB: 3 [M10] Celestial Purge
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CrushU
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Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 99

PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You run Bant Allies for three reasons:
Green for Harabaz Druid into Just about anything, Rite of Replication is best with GU. Also Vines. Maybe.
Blue for Loremaster and counterspells, because you WILL need them against sweeps. Shapeshifter can help, but against competitive decks they'll tend to kill your creatures and keep your board clear. Also Rite of Replication has MANY uses, just the most obvious are on your own allies.
White for Join the Ranks, Kabira Evangel, and Ondu Cleric, and Blademaster, and Freeblade. White has the absolute best allies, it's why people even *try* monowhite allies (Which doesn't work, btw)

A typical game for bant allies should go turn 1 Freeblade, turn 2 Harabaz, and if Harabaz sticks, GO NUTS. Loremasters to draw into more allies/Replication. The idea is that White has the GOOD cheap allies, so play that color, Green has the good mid-range allies and mana-ramping, so play that color, and Blue has absolutely sick long-term allies and counterspells.

The big weakness for all ally decks is creature removal. I've not yet lost to an ally deck with just Vampires, let alone Jund.

Dauntless Escort is the best non-ally creature you can run with WG colors.

Bala Ged Thief? I think he's trolling.

There's a RW Ally topic already, it covers that archetype rather completely.
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Kami5909



Joined: 08 Sep 2008
Posts: 42

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bantos86 wrote:
Oop wrote:
Yeah sorry, only had a second to make a post... but i was messing with allies a lot once WWK came out and I think junk is probably the best followed closely by american... Junk gives you Bala ged theif (the best ally) as well as allowing access to mealstrom pulse and the Brigand if your aiming for your deck to be really aggressive...

Going american gives you Bladeslinger and Warlord both of which are completely stupidly overpowered when combined with join the ranks.... and you also get the usual red stuff... bolt, chandra, whatever other red burn you want to keep it fast

I would highly suggest trying either of those Smile

But play what you want and what you think is fun... If there was lightning greaves in this format I think I would try blue... just for Loremaster actually doing something, but he never untaps Razz


I really wish people would stop claiming Bala Ghed Thief as the best ally. It becomes useless when the opponent has no hand, while Talus Paladin and most other Allies aren't useless. It also doesn't grow at all.

Are you seriously qualifying your statement with "when the opponent has no hand"?
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