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Pillsburry
Joined: 17 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| HujuVanikil wrote: | | your right there's a big difference because hedron crab is immune to bolt and is certainly not going to be hit by any other removal as well >_>........ |
Simple, depending on which deck you play against, you shouldn't play Hedron Crab on turn 1 because if you play him on turn 2 you get to play a land b4 your oppo gets priority so you grind at least 3 cards. If its a fetch land and its played properly you'll grind 6. |
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kaamos
Joined: 08 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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What I see here is a deck that is pretty consistent in ending the game at the same speed as tier 1 decks that can also end the game just as fast, but THOSE decks have removal/control, your whole list is combo tools.
What do you do if your opponent stops you?
I suppose having all combo tools means he cant stop you?
Dont get me wrong, I love the deck so far, but still, a control deck with black or blue hate in the sb, might just prevent you from winning 2/3. And if they dont and the deck becomes popular, people will find a sb just for decks like this (agadeem/gy) and unfortunatelly the value of fetchlands will continue to go up ><
Why cant Wizards keep good lands from being rares? I mean honestly, theyre not "fun" cards at all, theyre tools, nobody wants to pay $25 dollars for a land, a playset, a few playsets... |
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tbone
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I've played against this deck a couple of times...
IMO it can't win without activating a crab a couple of times in the first 3 turns, otherwise it doesn't really do much
BTW:
It is probably the most boring deck to play against since time sieve...especially in MWS...you won't make friends playing it |
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xSNACKSx
Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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@ kaamos, If standard was the only format played fetchlands would be worth 5 bucks if that.
@ this deck, hedron crab seems more so cute than functional. |
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kaamos
Joined: 08 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I guarantee vintage and extended players buying these cards wont contribute nearly as much money as standard and block players.
Know anybody paying $25 for dual lands in older sets currently?
Except for the first 3 sets, as most cards from those sets are worth at least $10.
No sir, Standard is the only format that can make an uncommon cost $5, let alone a land.
I agree about hederon crab being usefull* but still, with or without it, the deck doesnt work consistently enough.
I'd rather make it more control, just have mind funeral and haunting echoes.
why not at least have tendrils in there for an alternate win condition? |
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xSNACKSx
Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Yeah tendrils with 2 swamps seems like a good win con. Tendrils for 2 pretty much gets there all day.
What uncommon from standard is worth 5 dollars? Path to exile? As a card dealer, I know that that card is worth $4 on a good day and if you read what that card does $4 is justified. It's a kill for 1 mana that gets them a basic land, which is legacy generally doesn't mean much since very few basic lands are run. The only thing gay about path to exile is that the picture is a cat bear thing getting beat to death by flower petals. If it had a badass dude with a beard farming (see swords to plowshares) it would be worth even more.
"I guarantee vintage and extended players buying these cards wont contribute nearly as much money as standard and block players."
Yeah you're probably right, vintage players are mostly older people with decent careers who play with those cheap very inexpensive power 9 cards and stuff. They're outmatched financially by a sweating 9 year old that pays 5 dollars for a lorthos the tidemaker. |
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ncgeniusbrad
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| he is talking about remand, eternal witness, skullclamp, top, kitchen finks, right now there arent ne 5 dollar uncommons. |
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kaamos
Joined: 08 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| xSNACKSx wrote: | | @ kaamos, If standard was the only format played fetchlands would be worth 5 bucks if that. |
They will never reprint those power 9 cards, and they are rare in terms of limited existence, not being reprinted.
Those vintage players have dual lands that do the same thing, the moment these fetch lands are not in standard, and probably before, they will go down in price.
Path is the only expensive uncommon (ATM) but yes my point was in the past standard has bumped up even uncommons to 5 bucks, and just like path, or any of the cards ncgeniusbrad posted, they will go down in price after they leave standard play, that or they'll make like skullclamp and get restricted/banned.
People still buying Divining Top from you for 5 bucks? nah |
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xSNACKSx
Joined: 20 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Actually yeah I still get 5 bucks for top. That card is tight. |
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getmatt201
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I was thinking about playing this deck at the next FNM. How do you think sideboarding would go against stuff like vampires and jund? (What to put in and take out) |
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Pillsburry
Joined: 17 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| getmatt201 wrote: | | I was thinking about playing this deck at the next FNM. How do you think sideboarding would go against stuff like vampires and jund? (What to put in and take out) |
The maindeck is very touchy u can't remove certain cards so the sbding is pretty tight (about 8 cards max can be sided out).
vs Jund: -4 Grim, -2 Leviathan, -1 Fate, -1 Corpse, +4 Negate, +4 Duress
vs Vampires: No changes this is an easy MU.
vs RDW: -2 Leviathan, -1 Fate, +3 Essence Scatter (Counter Ball Lightning!)
vs Boros: -4 Grim, +4 Infest
vs Elves: No changes
vs Control: No changes
What other MU to sb you wanna know ? |
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tbone
Joined: 20 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Pillsburry wrote: |
vs RDW: -2 Leviathan, -1 Fate, +3 Essence Scatter (Counter Ball Lightning!)
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just a thought...if your using the the essence scatter only for RDW why don't u just play doomblade or disfigure. Just as effective but a little more flexible. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| tbone wrote: | | Pillsburry wrote: |
vs RDW: -2 Leviathan, -1 Fate, +3 Essence Scatter (Counter Ball Lightning!)
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just a thought...if your using the the essence scatter only for RDW why don't u just play doomblade or disfigure. Just as effective but a little more flexible. |
Or Flashfreeze? |
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Pillsburry
Joined: 17 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Your right I should just play Flashfreeze that can also counter Jund Charm  |
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Daeron
Joined: 12 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| what about great sable stag?¿?¿?¿?¿? |
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