Cascade Vampires--Need Ideas!!!

maddawg · Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 19

Cascade Vampires
// Main

//Creatures
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Bloodghast
3 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Sprouting Thrinax

//Spells
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Terminate
3 Lightning Bolt
3 Sign in Blood
4 Blightning
2 Sorin Markov

//Lands
2 Mountain
3 Rootbound Crag
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Savage Lands
3 Swamp
3 Forest
4 Dragonskull Summit

// Sideboard:
SB: 1 Gatekeeper of Malakir
SB: 1 Bloodghast
SB: 3 Sadistic Sacrament
SB: 4 Malakir Bloodwitch
SB: 1 Terminate
SB: 3 Jund Charm
SB: 2 Maelstrom Pulse

This deck got me 1st at game day. it beats Jund Most of the time no joke. Crushed vampires. Tell me what you think....I am having a hard time beating that stupid Trap deck what should i do?

styx^ · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 66

You mean "Es Una Trappa!!!"?

If you mean that then i'd suggest Duress for the board!

So basicly the following:

-3 Sadistic Sacrament
-1 Maelstrom Pulse

+4 Duress

maddawg · Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 19

That's the one!

as much as it kills me to take out the Sacraments i agree with you

thanks for the insight, that will also allow me to man handle jund even more lol Very Happy

Rath · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 96

Thought Hemorrhage might help...

Parker2038 · Joined: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 30

so... this is cascade vampires?
and the one and only cascade spell is bloodbraid?
what kind of cascade deck play only one cascade spell!? lol

you shouls play some bituminous blast, seriously, no joke

maddawg · Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 19

everything in the deck save Soirn and BBE can be cascaded into via blood braid why do i need bit blast? If the name bothers you can change it to fit the deck. Don't change the deck to fit the name. I am looking for ways to make the deck better.

Parker2038 · Joined: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 30

but I really think that bituminous blast can make the deck better. And I dont think you should play BOP you really dont want to cascade into BOP... take them out, 2 more lands and 2 bituminous.

and dont say its just to match the name without playtesting. test it and them, if you dont like it, do it your way. I was just trying to help. you really dont know how to take a joke...

tbone · Joined: 20 May 2009 Posts: 61

it wont work in jund colors because it will end up being a terrible jund deck (which it is close to now)...

It may be good against some other decks but wont win tournys

you need a new approach...idk try grixis

Atub · Joined: 15 Jun 2008 Posts: 20

I agree that if you want to play Jund, you should probably just play Jund. However, a R/B Vampires might have potential. Blightning, Lightning Bolt, and Bit. Blast are strong additions, and access to Thought Hemorrhage is good in the side. Terminate should get some consideration. You just need to decide if losing Tendrils and Sludge is worth it.

xSNACKSx · Joined: 20 Jul 2009 Posts: 54

Yeah I'd cut BOP, Edward (vampire nighthawk) and the other twilight crew seem to be okay to cascade into but BOP would suck. Gatekeeper seems awkward but if you're getting that trip black then whatever keep doin it. Everything else looks relatively solid.

Mind_Game · Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 96

All in all its a great deck, but it has problems like any other deck out there. So you just have to figure out the weaknesses and patch them up best you can. For example someone here stated its like a bad Jund list, so make it a good one. If the deck has combos, then it needs balance and stability since it doesn't play like aggro does, aggro wins with a swarm of creatures, your deck needs an effective combo to win games. It needs to be effective enough to get on the ground and win or take the game away from them. Some cases you'll need blue to protect your goals thats not an option I guess, but Grixis works in that fashion. So it depends on what you lose to mostly, if its control then more duress (discard, pinpoint control), if its something like es sunna trappa w/e you basically want to hit their threats best you know how, if not, you'll be left with trying to figure out how to stop a 10/10 with Protection from everything.

Peace out!

maddawg · Joined: 28 Sep 2008 Posts: 19

lol sorry did not mean to sound abrasive. this is a control deck. i have been playing it online and at FMN and i only lose when i mess up. let me play out how it's is supposed to work.....everything and i mean everything in the deck is meant to control my opponent. turn one birds turn two blightning or Sprouting Thrinax not bad as for cascade into birds it can often led to a turn 4-5 Sorin. If your worried about late game birds they make good chump blockers ie you swing baneslayer i dont take it to the face for a turn also birds while useful on their own serve well as bait and can allow you to sign in blood and play both cards you draw. Unfortunately games are drawn out but i am not looking for a turn 4 or 5 kill i sit back and stop what you are doing while maintaining card advantage with blighting signs and BBE. late game sorin is actually my kill condition. drop you to 10 and attack or deal 2 gain 2 and take your turn for you. There are a lot of BB and BBB mana costs but don't worry about those spells cause they are to be cascaded into or played late game or with the help of birds early game also with Gatekeeper in the deck leave a B open when you play BBE... the real fun of this deck is the side board. when can you use both bloodwitch and jund charm in the same deck; fun stuff. If you want to kill your opponent fast without any thought this is not the deck for you. If you want to have fun and actually play the game i am sure you will love this deck. Btw I still have not lost a round to jund aggro with this deck....total count 9-0. I did lose to that warp world deck earlier-that was a fun game Very Happy

. With this said is there anything that i can do to make this a better control deck not an aggro deck.

dv8r · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 202

I love how you can always tell on magic-league between the ones who genuinly want help, and the ones who claim they want help but are really just showing off and won't consider any sensible advice... (and yes, I am aware that this post is off topic)

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1951

Birds of Paradise is only good when you want your deck to be faster, playing 3c,c spells turn 2 and thus gaining a tempo advantage.

The discard-two part of Blightning slows the opponent down (not disruption!) and the 3-damage part speeds your deck up. It is therefore a tempo card.

So is Lightning Bolt (damage) and Vampire Nighthawk (lifelink)

Then it is the card-advantage cards BBE, Bloodghast, Sprouting Thrinax, Sign in Blood and Blightning. They two-for-ones and make sure you get an advantage on the battlefield in terms of numbers and power. That is not control (even though you got a sort of control of the board when you dominate and have the initiative).

This means that if you play this deck like a control deck, you are either playing it wrong, or you have misunderstood what a control deck is supposed to do. In either case, the advice you have been given so far has been sound and helpful.

SugarShark · Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Posts: 247

blightning is disruption against certain decks
any deck where they don't have the luxury to discard excess lands.

if your threats cost 5 mana and and you only have 2 land in hand turn 3 do you toss your threats or the land needed to cast them
thats's a plan disrupted