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DRey
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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 Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: rules for protesting league games |
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well something weird happened to me yesterday.
i played someone on a league draft game (wont say name cause it doenst matter right now). no problems on the game at all (i won 2-1 btw).
after we finish our game with the usual "ggs" and goodbyes i go to report the game, to my surprise the guy wrongly put he had won the game 2-1, i searched him on the channel so he could correct his mistake, but he had already gone.
"ok, i will just protest the result and everything will be alright, the staff will contact the guy and he will correct himself" as i didnt think he did on purpose. some time after my protest i receive a message from brimstone informing that i can only protest with an log for proof, which i dont have as ive closed mws right after our game.
ive messaged back the staff but they didnt even took the time to respond me, and my "loss" is already added to my rating.
so my comments:
1) i dont have a log proving i won the game, neither my opponent (as he lost), so why i must be the one with the burden of proof? as we are both users with the same credibility . or his word has more credibility just because he posted the result first?
2)i dont really want to force my win, as i dont have any proof that i really won, but its not possible for the staff to just ask the guy if he didnt made a honest mistake on the reporting? they basicaly denied my protest and told me to STFU. the ML really works like that?
3)if my opp doenst confess the truth but doesnt show a log proving his won, the game cant simply be erased from the ratings of both of us? as would be the right thing to do imho.
comments apprecciated. |
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wiltstorm
Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| in mws play go to options->preferences->general->auto save game logs. this will save all ur logs |
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gypsy
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| it's magic-league rating |
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Ludz
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Note that while being a judge, I have nothing to do with single matches. I can give you some hints though.
Like wiltstorm said, turn on Auto Save Game Logs to prevent this from happening in the future.
If you want to get your already played game reported correctly, try to catch your opponent in IRC, and ask him to confirm that the game was yours. The case is actually that since none of you have logs, we can't prove anything for anyone of you. If this was the case in a tournament, we would investigate the subject and make a decision based on that.
Anyway, my advice is to ask your opponent to confirm for you, otherwise you're fighting for a pretty much dead cause. I know that even though it's just a few points of m-l rating, it doesn't feel good to make cheaters happy.
Wish you luck! |
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brimstone
Joined: 20 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:24 am Post subject: Re: rules for protesting league games |
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| DRey wrote: |
2)i dont really want to force my win, as i dont have any proof that i really won, but its not possible for the staff to just ask the guy if he didnt made a honest mistake on the reporting? they basicaly denied my protest and told me to STFU. the ML really works like that?
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Hi, given I handle all the protests this is simply not true. I simply sent a message saying "you need to provide logs to prove your protest. -brim." This is not telling you to STFU, it's telling you to prove it which is kind of an important aspect of the protest. |
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niknight
Joined: 14 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Dray, in response to your three comments:
1. In situations like this, there is a reported result. It is fairly common for players in league matches to not confirm the result when they lose, so we accept the report of one player as a result. Just like in any sport, if you are trying to challenge the "ruling on the field" (which in our case is a match result), you must demonstrate that the ruling was incorrect with some form of proof. Don't take this personally, but for all we know you could be just some person trying to fake their way out of taking a loss... it happens a lot with protests.
2. I've been staff here for about 3 years now. In this time I have NEVER seen a judge be rude while handling a protest. So in this case I find your claim to be without merit unless, of course, you can prove it. And if you can, please send said proof to judgedirector@magic-league.com. The forums are not a place for that kind of discussion.
3. Imagine what would occur if our policy was to erase from the database all matches where the players disagree with the results... We would never have any league matches actually recorded. |
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DRey
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | in mws play go to options->preferences->general->auto save game logs. this will save all ur logs |
thanks for the info dude! now i will never pass something like that again.
| Quote: | Note that while being a judge, I have nothing to do with single matches. I can give you some hints though.
Like wiltstorm said, turn on Auto Save Game Logs to prevent this from happening in the future.
If you want to get your already played game reported correctly, try to catch your opponent in IRC, and ask him to confirm that the game was yours. The case is actually that since none of you have logs, we can't prove anything for anyone of you. If this was the case in a tournament, we would investigate the subject and make a decision based on that.
Anyway, my advice is to ask your opponent to confirm for you, otherwise you're fighting for a pretty much dead cause. I know that even though it's just a few points of m-l rating, it doesn't feel good to make cheaters happy.
Wish you luck! |
im trying to contact the individual on mirc but so far unsucessfully, and he never posted on forums, so i cant pm him. but i think like you, if neither of us have some kind of proof the game should be canceled.
| Quote: | | Hi, given I handle all the protests this is simply not true. I simply sent a message saying "you need to provide logs to prove your protest. -brim." This is not telling you to STFU, it's telling you to prove it which is kind of an important aspect of the protest. |
yeah brimstone, the problem was not the way you wrote me, its the actual fact that immediately after that i wrote back following your instructions and my response was completely ignored and the wrong result was added to my rating. you didnt use those words described, its just the way the whole thing happened just gave me that impression, sorry for the misunderstanding.
| Quote: | Dray, in response to your three comments:
1. In situations like this, there is a reported result. It is fairly common for players in league matches to not confirm the result when they lose, so we accept the report of one player as a result. Just like in any sport, if you are trying to challenge the "ruling on the field" (which in our case is a match result), you must demonstrate that the ruling was incorrect with some form of proof. Don't take this personally, but for all we know you could be just some person trying to fake their way out of taking a loss... it happens a lot with protests.
2. I've been staff here for about 3 years now. In this time I have NEVER seen a judge be rude while handling a protest. So in this case I find your claim to be without merit unless, of course, you can prove it. And if you can, please send said proof to judgedirector@magic-league.com. The forums are not a place for that kind of discussion.
3. Imagine what would occur if our policy was to erase from the database all matches where the players disagree with the results... We would never have any league matches actually recorded. |
niknight, in response to your three comments:
1. i do understand that when a user doesnt confirm the game loss you should rule in favor of the one who reported, but im my case i didnt simply forgot or didnt want to confirm, 1 minute after the game ended i tried to report my win, which was denied as the other user has already reported and so i immedialety protested.
3. that is not my desire nor my intent with my post in this forum, but lets work with some basic premisses here 1) my word has the same weight as his 2) the probability of me being a cheater its the same as him, just because he reported faster than me doesnt make my word less credible
considering those two basic premisses you really think is fair to rule in his favor even without trying to PM him to ask for clarification and a log?
btw i dont want to erase the games where a disagreement with the results happens, just one where none of the parties has some way of proving anything.
heck i have this account for a long time, and with a limited rating that while not great its a source of pride for me. and now its tainted. i could bet my account that he will confirm my history or at least wont have a log. why dont you pm him and if he has a log proving im a liar you ban me for your troubles? its a much better way of hadling the situation than "show us a log or forget it".
sorry if thats not the way of solving this issue, you can close and erase this thread if its not allowed to solve this thing here. |
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chakal_rbn
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Posts: 18
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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LOL
Next time I lost a game, I have to be fast to report the log as a win to me... Only 2 things can happen if I report first:
1. I get a fake-win because my opponent hasn't the log proving I'm wrong
or
2. My opponent has the log, and I just say that was a mistake, my bad.
Both ways, nothing to loose and maybe a match to win 
All of his to just one question... What can happen to people who lie on the match report in case of the opponent really have the Log proving he's lying? |
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nico
League Staff
Joined: 28 Oct 2003
Posts: 898
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Repeat offenders will be logged in the penalty database, and id will be messaged. If the mistakes continue, penalties may even be upgraded to suspensions.
Greetz Nico |
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