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Chronozoa and Cemetery Puca



 
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ck3gds



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:35 am    Post subject: Chronozoa and Cemetery Puca Reply with quote

Taken from Cranial Insertion on MTG Salvation:

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Q: If I copy a Chronozoa with a Cemetery Puca, then that creature is destroyed with zero time counters, I'm pretty sure I get two new creatures out of the deal. But are they Chronozoas or Cemetery Pucas? Or some weird hybrid?

Actually, "weird hybrid" is about the right way to describe those offspring. The ability that makes them instructs you to make two tokens that are copies of that creature over there, with a big arrow pointing to the space recently vacated by the Puca/Chronozoa. The effect that made the Puca into a Chronozoa is one of the things that gets copied (along with the Puca ability, since that's all part of the same effect) so you get two tokens that look exactly like Chronozoas, with the addition of the Puca ability. Now I'm getting out of here before you turn us all into grey goo.


So will the Cemetery Puca that copied the Chronozoa be put into the graveyard straightaway because it has no time counters on it? (And if so, then won't this also happen to the subsequent Chronozoa/Puca creatures that come in?) Or does it survive until my next upkeep step?
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FiReBLT



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chronozoa sacs into two copies when you remove the *last counter*
Puca has no counters on it, so it never removes said last counter.

It's a no deal here I'm afraid - you end up with a Puca-Zoa which never copies.
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Hardtrack



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FiReBLT wrote:
Chronozoa sacs into two copies when you remove the *last counter*
Puca has no counters on it, so it never removes said last counter.

No, it doesn't. It creates two copies whenever it goes to the graveyard without any time counters.

What happens is the Cemetery Puca copying Chronozoa sits in play, happily living its life.

Each upkeep the Vanishing ability will try to remove a time counter and fail, since it doesn't have any time counters. This will have no consequences since you only have to sacrifice it if you remove the last counter (it's not fading, which has you sacrifice it whenever you try to remove a counter but can't).

Assuming it doesn't copy something else along the way, it probably gets destroyed at some point in time. When it does the copying ability kicks in, since it was put in the graveyard without having any time counters on it. This ability will create two copies of Chronozoa with the Puca ability and three time counters. Those time counters will start ticking away and three upkeeps later (assuming nothing else has happened to it and it didn't copy something else at that point) it'll have to be sacrificed because you removed the last counter. This will result in two more Chronozoa's with the Puca ability, and so on and so forth.
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