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kaamos
Joined: 08 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:23 pm Post subject: New Idea: Blue Black Control (?) |
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Updated Nov 3rd
// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// Lands
4 [M10] Drowned Catacomb
6 [M10] Island (1)
6 [M10] Swamp (1)
4 [M10] Gargoyle Castle
// Creatures
4 [CFX] Sedraxis Alchemist
4 [ZEN] Gatekeeper of Malakir
3 [ALA] Fleshbag Marauder
2 [ZEN] Sphinx of Jwar Isle
// Spells
4 [ZEN] Spell Pierce
4 [M10] Duress
3 [M10] Jace Beleren
3 [ARB] Soul Manipulation
4 [ALA] Agony Warp
4 [ZEN] Into the Roil
3 [ALA] Courier's Capsule
2 [ARB] Mistvein Borderpost
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [M10] Essence Scatter
SB: 4 [M10] Negate
SB: 3 [M10] Doom Blade
SB: 4 [ALA] Infest
More removal, no Draggar though, should hold out much more consistently to get out sphinxes, they arent super strong but they get the job done, especially being untargetable
Edit: Needs more black, for a moment imagine trading a castle for a borderpost, gotta have em for fixing and alchemists.
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magicman85
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| Will be hard to get past decks with Great Sable Stags. |
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Pillsburry
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Gatekeeper of Malakir over Fleshbag Marauder |
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kaamos
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Yea stags are an issue, I think remnant is commin out because he doesnt find much other than counters/artifacts.
I always thought Rite of replication SB would be an answer (albeit a bad answer) to stags
Maybe pull remant FOR Gatekeeper?
My first impression was remant out for duress
Also, for planeswalkers i should sb vampire hexmage, =/= tokens |
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xSNACKSx
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you just add 4x drowned catacombs to a precon deck? |
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kaamos
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EDIT: Revisions posted at the top
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Tink903
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| wouldnt negate be better than spell pierce? |
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Jacois
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| No way dude, spell pierce is fucking amazing! Anyone who doesn't like it either hasn't played with it or detests blue. It's REALLY nice. |
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kaamos
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:03 am Post subject: |
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spell pierce is a good answer early game, they save their spells for when they think your tapped out and bam, they get it for one mana.
I loves it.
Playtesting that BR deck i posted atm, this deck is still on my mind |
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Vedrfolner
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You have no instant creature removal. No mass removal.
Spell Pierce, Duress, Essence Scatter and Countersquall are all very narrow in usage. You need the right one at the right time. Those are all better as sideboard cards.
Viscera Dragger is not a good card. Neither is Sedraxis Alchemist.
I don't see you kick Gatekeeper while they have only one creature on the board very often. Too many Islands for that.
Borderposts are terrible. Crumbling Necropolis or Arcane Sanctum are both much better.
So what can you do now that I have "removed" 90% of your deck?
1. Add Agony Warp or Doom Blade
2. Add more Sphinx of Jwar Isle and Sphinx of Lost Truths
3. Add 2 more lands (to 25) and tilt the deck and mana more towards black
4. Choose whether you want anti-creature or anti-control more maindeck. Both at once is impossible with the counterspells available.
5. In short - increase the card power of the deck.
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CrushU
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| kaamos wrote: | | I always thought Rite of replication SB would be an answer (albeit a bad answer) to stags |
Rite of Replication targets, and it's a blue spell, so a Stag would laugh at it.
Clone, however, would work in that way. Though as you said, poor man's counter indeed. |
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SugarShark
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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merfolk looter, child of night, vampire hexmage WITH agony warp
you need early [useful]bodies to bolster the chance for 2-for-1's
duress+spell pierce+countersquall seems too many |
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QuaziPance
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Mindbreak trap counters stagg, and deals with cascade. I know it's a 4 mana counter to a 3 mana card, but it's better than nothing, and it's a good way to deal with BBE. also, when someone DOES bituminous into BBE into something else, it is free. I know it isn't ideal, especially for this deck. But I think it could find a place in the sideboard.
Also, I agree with the border posts being a bad idea. If you are really having trouble with mana base consistency you could always throw in a few refuges (though they are probably the worst card I've ever seen). |
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kaamos
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Borderpost keeps a blue permanent in play for alchemist, but it does suck vs pulse |
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kaamos
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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-4 countersquall +4 soul manipulation?
3 anti spells vs 1 anti creature doesnt make sense, and with souls I can bump marauder back up to 4 (maybe) |
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