M10 (Magic 2010) Rule changes.

KeySam · Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 647

I think most changes are fine, although i am not a fan fo the renaming i dont realy care as long we are not getting to this point:

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Stucco · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 901

As has been previously said, this all happened before pre-6th, and most people over-reacted just like today.

Relax please, it's going to be at least a year before we can actually begin to judge whether there has been a positive impact here (due to adjusting to rules and the quality of new card printed). Until then, instead of of using your brains to bitch on an online forum, try learning how situations will be different and how that will be advantageous to you.

venom_aa · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 82

I have played magic since 4th and theres a BIG diference between those changes and the M10 changes.

The changes that took in 6th edition was a normal evolution to the game, erasing interrupts and creating the stack was a great idea. Granted that it took my group one month more or less to learn the new rules and at first we were bitching just like today but when we saw the full potential of the the stack we totally forgot about the pre 6th rules.

But the m10 rules are not an evolution, its a devolution of the game to something near 5th rules. Also they're killing the following:

All you learned from 6th to m10 in deck building and with that interactions and potential of some mechanics and cards of the same time window. Limited, t2, extended and block. Some cards that costed you guy $10,$20 are worth crap now or atmost half their value.

The trust of the fan base, back then they said the same things that they hoped to never changes the core rules again. Guess what, they did, under doubtful circunstances cause they want to appeal to new players. So what about the loyalty of the new players? The message is: "We dont care"

The potential to grow as a player, by making it "easier" theyre putting a cap to the players, a similar cap to what u had in 5th. True, the stack on combat is also a cap. but with a higher level of dificulty. Learning how to read your opponent and the proper implications on how to bluff and theorize about what could happen after damage.

Putting simplier, they just transformed chess to checkers. To most people chess looks like a boring difficult game but if you learn how to play it properly, checkers will be the most boring game in the planet.

They want to attract new players. Advertise like freaking yugioh did and all those 15 minutes of fame card games that came with it. Make tournaments for begginers only with atractive prizes.

There are better ways than the m10 rules and to be honest I doubt that the new rules will help wizards incomes. Card games are not a trend at least not rigth now and all theyre is wasting time and effort in something that will hurt them more than help them.

Acid_Christ · Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 799

Berzerker · Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 56

The rules change are big, as were the rules change for 6th. I have been playing since revised, at first when the 6th rules came about I was really confused. I had just started to understand the whole batch spell resolution thing. The only rule change that will have any significant impact on the game is the combat damage not using the stack. The way they are changing it, combat is way more intuitive. Creatures that are dealt damage die...period. While I understand peoples apprehension it will mostly just alter the way people look at combat and the way people construct decks. It actually has minimal effect on the actual game play. When was the last time someone attacked into your mogg fanatic with a 2/2 or for that matter blocked your mogg fanatic with a 2/2. It doesn't happen that often. The new rules just alter how you look at the situation. Magic players simply hate change. In a couple of years people will wonder what all the fuss was really about and the new rules will become what we all are used to. We should give the rules changes some time before making judgments.

Jag4 · Joined: 17 May 2008 Posts: 45

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 1840

I never said it was the only thing but you do not even have to be smart to understand the stack.

The type of people who do not get it after they've been playing the game for a while are the same people they put warnings on hammers and stuff for, saying do not smash your own head with this.

Socks3 · Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 98

Tengo una idea.

How about this? We all use MWS. It's easy enough, in non-League games, to specify "Combat samage uses stack here" in a game description.

Same for mana burn.

You don't have to play by the new rules on MWS if you don't want to.

That said, I agree with the changes they're making for the most part. It's not lowering strategy - it's bringing in different strategy. As for the battlefield, the name's kind of corny, but it's better than "In play."

EQ_killa · Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 36

whoempah_666 · Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 28

Socks3 · Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 98

I played with bury some. No-one I played with was sure if that meant destroy, sac, or shuffle into your library.

If Ball Lightning is good now, try playing against it when it shuffled back into the deck!

Either way, my point is that certain things don't always make sense to new players that you think should. Certainly the stack, once explained, is a simple enough concept. But if you're trying to learn the game from the online videos, it could be a lot harder.

I also don't think catering to new and/or casual players is a bad thing. New and casual players are the players who crack the majority of packs, and buy [s]theme decks9/s] intro packs. Think about it - when you buy a single. how much of that money goes to Wizards? I mean, yeah, the dealer had to open the pack for the card, or someone did, but as more singles get sold around, Wizards makes less money. The first time the Reviellark is sold on the market, Wizards only made $4. THe second time, it's basically $2. But casual players keep buying boosters, and that goes to have the dealer order more, which makes Wizards stay in business and keep printing cards.

Yes, I know my numbers are off. I'm not a major in economy. And I know a lot of packs are sold to draft. But a drafter will still only buy 3 packs at a time. There's a lot of casual players out there who would buy more, even buying boxes at a time. I know I do.

Avata · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 407

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DoomBring3r · Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 436

Amen.