Jund Mana Ramp (Looking for SB advice)

JSUOversoul · Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 34

Ok, so when CS/TSP/PC/FUT were all legal, I loved playing R/G Mana Ramp, so now that the archetype is viable again, I was eager to test the new 3-color version. The deck has been performing quite well (it's built to battle my meta here in Alabama, which consists mostly of Kithkin, Faeries, and 5CC). I was going to run it tonight at FNM, but a situation came up & I was unable to attend. Anyway, that gives me another week to prepare it and hopefully get some advice on how to sideboard for the different matchups, mainly the 3 that I mentioned. Here's the list:

4 - Savage Lands
4 - Fire-Lit Thicket
5 - Forest
3 - Reflecting Pool
4 - Treetop Village
1 - Mountain
1 - Swamp
1 - Graven Cairns
1 - Twilight Mire

4 - Kitchen Finks
4 - Civic Wayfinder
4 - Chameleon Colossus
3 - Broodmate Dragon
2 - Cloudthresher
1 - Hellkite Overlord

4 - Rampant Growth
4 - Jund Charm
4 - Firespout
4 - Gift of the Gargantuan
2 - Primal Command

Sideboard:

4 - Guttural Response
2 - Shriekmaw
3 - Naturalize
4 - Magma Spray
2 - Cloudthresher

So what I'm mainly looking for is 1. How to sideboard against Faeries, Kithkin, and 5-Color. I know what goes in, I just need a little help for what should come out, and 2. SB and MD card choices. I realize this list is very close to the one Mike Flores played at States, but I figure if I'm going to test a brand-new deck, I might as well get a blueprint from a pretty good player and then change it as I see fit. Thanks.

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 562

to talk about your SB. i think you should run infest. Main reason: Forge Tender

stone_d · Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 48

main:
-1 overlord
-4 jund charm
+2 shriekmaw
+2 primal command
+1 cloudthresher (it's not only good against faeries)

sb:
-1 cloudhtresher (it's main now)
-2 shriekmaw (main now)
-4 gutteral response
-3 naturalize
+2 wickerbough elder
+4 infest
+4 rain of tears / thoughtseize

DESTRUCTOR · Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 117

i like farhaven elf more than civic wayfinder becuse it puts the land into play wich is betther for a mana ramp deck, and i think 4 jund charm an 4 firespout is a bit too much maybe you could cut 1 of each and add violent ultimatum or mind shatter or garruk/sarkan vol

Chaosweaver · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 1335 Location: Igloo town

Your list is seriously tooo slow than what it can be

// Lands
4 [10E] Llanowar Wastes
3 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
5 [MR] Forest (4)
4 [FUT] Graven Cairns
2 [MR] Mountain (3)
2 [MR] Swamp (3)
4 [10E] Treetop Village

// Creatures
3 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
3 [LRW] Liliana Vess
1 [ALA] Broodmate Dragon
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
1 [ALA] Hellkite Overlord
1 [LRW] Cloudthresher
2 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus

// Spells
1 [MR] Loxodon Warhammer
4 [LRW] Fertile Ground
3 [ALA] Violent Ultimatum
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
3 [10E] Rampant Growth
4 [7E] Pyroclasm
1 [SHM] Firespout
1 [LRW] Eyeblight's Ending

I don't have a sb either but this list is just so good its unreal. Either of the planeswalkers are good and its just unreal. Although im sweet talking it I'd -1 liliana for + GarruK

I've been testing it out a while ago and turn 3 garruk turn 4 Broodmate or turn 4 collossus.

Acid_Christ · Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 567

Flores had a Jund Ramp deck on Wizards that might be worth looking into.

JSUOversoul · Joined: 08 May 2007 Posts: 34

Yeah, the Flores deck is what this one is based off of. I think I mentioned that in my post.

And whoever said I should cut all 4 copies of Guttural Response out of the board, justify the reason for doing so when I specified that my meta is dominated by FAERIES AND 5-COLOR CONTROL. Why would I NOT run 4 copies of it? Siding in Infest has been done, but I will not remove the Guts.

Ok, so how would I sideboard against the matchups I said? What should I take out? I know what goes in, now what would go out?

ynnus · Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 82

I think there needs to be at least 1 or 2 more broodmate dragon.

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1440

-4 Firespout + 4 G.Resp

-2 Jund Charm +2 Cloudthresher

What did you take out of the sb to add Infest?

Chaosweaver · Joined: 07 Apr 2005 Posts: 1335 Location: Igloo town

pmoore311 · Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

I had a thread on this same topic but not sure where it went with all the bugs on this site. Anyways my S.B. is below with some comments.

6 - Forest
2 - Graven Cairns
4 - Fire-Lit Thicket
1 - Mountain
2 - Swamp
4 - Savage Lands
4 - Treetop Village

4 - Kitchen Finks
4 - Civic Wayfinder
4 - Chameleon Colossus
1 - Broodmate Dragon
3 - Cloudthresher
2 - Shriekmaw

4 - Rampant Growth
4 - Jund Charm
4 - Firespout
4 - Gift of the Gargantuan
2 - Primal Command

Sideboard:

4 - Guttural Response
2 - Shriekmaw
3 - Mind Shatter
2 - Primal Command
2 - Broodmate Dragon
2 - Resounding Thunder

Matchups:
5CC: +4 Gutteral + 3 Mind Shatter - 4 Firespout - 2 Jund Charm - 1 Broodmate (Resounding Thunder on occasion as an uncounterable win)
Kitchkin: - 3 Cloudthresher + 2 Shriekmaw + 1 Broodmate
Faeries: - Pretty good matchup as is (I side in Resounding Thunder, Gutteral Response occasionally)
RDW: + 2 Broodmate (Helps agains Demigod) + 2 Primal Command - 3 Cloudthresher - 1 Shriekmaw

ynnus · Joined: 26 Dec 2006 Posts: 82

This is my take on jund mana ramp.
I like to keep the cloudthreshers and broodmate dragons in the main instead of siding them in after.
I also like my garruk and makeshift mannequins.

the sideboard is more offensive against 5c with bitterblossoms, fulminator mages, 1 more cloudthresher, and primal command all coming in.

for faeries I bring in another cloudthresher, bitterblossom, and primal command.

shriekmaw, saplings, and primal command come in against kithkin.

saplings and primal command come in for rdw.

fulminator mages ianytime theres lots of non-basics

// Lands
4 [ALA] Savage Lands
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
1 [10E] Mountain (4)
1 [10E] Swamp (4)
1 [EVE] Twilight Mire
1 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
1 [10E] Llanowar Wastes
1 [10E] Karplusan Forest
3 [10E] Treetop Village
6 [10E] Forest (4)

// Creatures
3 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
4 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
3 [LRW] Cloudthresher
3 [ALA] Broodmate Dragon
4 [SHM] Farhaven Elf

// Spells
2 [ALA] Violent Ultimatum
4 [LRW] Fertile Ground
3 [LRW] Makeshift Mannequin
3 [SHM] Firespout
4 [ALA] Jund Charm

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [LRW] Cloudthresher
SB: 2 [LRW] Shriekmaw
SB: 3 [EVE] Sapling of Colfenor
SB: 4 [MOR] Bitterblossom
SB: 2 [LRW] Primal Command
SB: 3 [SHM] Fulminator Mage

ILikeBananas · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 166

I tested a similar version of the flores deck. I found that gift of the gaurantuan doesn't work as well as I thought it would when running 16-17 creatures. Gift is really asking for 22+ creatures.

Farhaven elf > Civic wayfinder. I'm a fan of not getting owned by fulminator mage so I like to put lands into play rather than use Fertile Ground.

Keep the jund charm. It's your ticket to defeating faeries. You don't need 8 firespout effects MD. I'd do 4 Jund charm MD and 4 infest SB. Jund charm is more flexible (tech vs Lark decks) than firespout. Plus you're a midrange deck. If it's not a weenie rush, chances are, your creatures will out-fat the opponent's. So the benefit of the extra 1 damage on firespout is not as useful in your deck.

I prefer only 1 broodmate dragon. I find oona queen to be better win condition often. With all that mana, you finally have something to sink them into. I'd do 1-2 broodmate and 1 Oona Queen. 2-3 Primal commands.

pmoore311 · Joined: 19 Feb 2007 Posts: 64

Gabraanth · Joined: 19 Oct 2008 Posts: 1

What are your guy's thoughts on Vigor?
That+firespout=win.