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Hank333



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delicious wrote:
Hank333 wrote:
I am going to get flamed but I can't stop myself.

McCain and Obama had very similar policies.
Obama will not end the war.
The Economic Problem is directly related to over printing of the dollar. Who is the one who overprints the dollar? It is the Federal Reserve. The Federal Reserve is not Federal, and it does not have any Reserves. They make money out of thin Air, and they charge our country interest on it! It is a total sham. We need to end the Federal Reserve.
Everyone should listen to Ron Paul because he was right all along.

9/11 was an inside job. It was a false flag terror attack. It was a complex multi-level military operation/psychological attack on the American people. It was done to take away our civil liberties’ and create a pre-emptive attack doctrine (not to mention to make a few people a bunch of money, mainly Jews.)
Clues:
Building 7
Molten Metal
Symmetry of the fall
Pentagon Evidence does not match official story.
Shanksville Debris over 8 miles?

Beware there are many lies and misleading stories surrounding 9/11. I don't have the answers, but you should have alot of questions that are unanswered.


You obviously know absolutely nothing of physics, acceleration and chemistry.


You do? care to explain? The towers gave no resitence to the falling top section.
Molten metal? jet fuel burns at 1200 degrees, and under the offical story that was supossidly enough to weaken the trussels, but surely not enough to melt the steel of building. And the molten metal lasted for 6 weeks afterwards. The 9/11 commission chose to never mention the molten metal, but tons of witnesses saw it and you can find video evidence as well.

I can't wait for the lesson you are going to teach me about physics, acceleration and chemistry as it applys to 9/11. If you are correct, and you explain the physics well, i will sincerely be grateful.
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YTheAlien



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delusional truthers and conservative naysayers aside:

President Barack Obama. Fucking booya.
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AppleofEris



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If America has not invaded Iraq, I would argue about 9/11 being a false-flag terrorist attack.

Unfortunately, it seems very plausible. A few question still arise:

Why would America plant explosives if they were going to fly a plane into it anyway.
Where there people on the planes that hit.
Who was flying them.
and is Dick Cheney really that evil. (I can answer that, yes.)

Back to the Obama discussion.

Calling Obama names like "spineless" or "nigger" really only shows the name caller's ignorance.

Time well tell if he's going to be a good president or not, the only thing I know is I would rather of had Ron Paul.
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Craze



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

God theres only one thing I hate more then 9/11 conspiracies and thats that at one point in time I believed it all.

canibal wrote:
If Ill leave my country and have a let say son he wont be native whatever country ill be in because Ill teach him of his roots. A lot of Mexicans are born in USA and I believe you dont treat them equal as you - Americans. (Correct me if Im wrong).
My country had NONE black, asian whatever presidents. Maybe because first there were no candidates, maybe 1 % of all population are not white...


Why do you talk? I mean you obviously know nothing about what you are saying...
If an illegal immigrant gives birth in the united states, that baby is a legal citizen. When we deport the kid's parents, 9/10 times we keep the kid. Now whether thats right or wrong is another point altogether. But the fact is, we are NOT Europeans. Our ancestors might have been 100+ years ago, but we are not. Just like Australians all used to be British, and Canadians used to be French. But are they considered that way now? NO.
Yes, America is made from roots that come from all across the world, but this my friend makes us better then it does worsen us. We are a true example that people can come together no matter religion/color. I don't know where your from, but your ignorance on America dumbfounds me.

canibal wrote:
And I didnt say that without America world would be better place after WW2. I just said it had nothing to do with you. And hey guess what America wasnt in WW1 and its still called World war....uuuUUU. America's only war was between south and north which I dont know about and dont want to know. You were in WW2 before Pearl Harbor assault happened.


We weren't in WW1, yet our involvement in it set us up for the Great Depression. That makes sense...
Also we weren't involved in WW2 prior to pearl harbor, We just restricted Japan's trade. (as mentioned before me). We had a strick no involvement policy despite the rest of the Allied forces begging for our help.
And when we did get involved, we ended the shit.

Oh and North Vs South war was called the Civil War. Its not the only war we've been in, being as We had 2 wars vs the British(1812 and the Revolutionary War). Had a small thing vs Mexico(Remember the alamo), and the whole bullshit in Vietnam.
And while I get you obviously hate America, You really should study up on its history before sharing your dumbass opinions.

As for all the idiot 9/11 conspiracies I think Maddox said it best, if the American government was really that corrupted and evil, that idiot who brought all this up in the "loose change" videos would of disappeared into the night 5 seconds after creating that stupid ass video.
Seriously people, start taking some anti psychotics...


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AppleofEris



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the whole loose change video WAS made by the government to cover up something else, kinda like Area 51 and the B2 stealth bomber, spy planes, and unmanned air craft we were developing at the end of the Cold War.

And to add to your list of conflicts, don't forget the Korean Conflict.

By the way,
^^
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YTheAlien



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZeMuppet wrote:
I think the whole loose change video WAS made by the government to cover up something else


Reality - Just believe whatever the hell you feel like!
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coolcreep



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CalebD wrote:
This is going to adress some random points.

"As for his leadership and experience, has anyone looked at the area he was community organizer over. Have you seen what it is now? Great work he did there, with all the buildings being closed down due to not meeting government regulations."

Are you kidding me? A lot of what he did as a community organizer was to get people to realize they lived in unsafe homes (asbestos-laced, decrepit) and fight for something to be done. Something was done. How did Obama fail here again?

"I just hope Obama isn't as spineless as he has appeared in the senate, and actually stands up to the Pelosi's of the Democratic Party."

As a senator Obama was incredibly new, and thus lacked power. To gain power in your party, you have to follow the crowd and build alliances. Obama did this expertly, and now he's president. Now the party follows him.

Some more clues on 9/11:

-Mathematicians have proved there was no resistance to the top floors falling after looking over the footage of the crash and calculating: the towers fell as fast as gravity allowed. What does this mean? There was no structural hindrance to the towers falling whatsoever, which is only possible if explosions removed the internal structure.
-The disintegration of many of the building’s floors with nothing remaining. This doesn’t happen when a building is knocked over, it happens in an explosion
-windows being blown out in a radius around the towers. Again, this is an effect of an explosion, not a plane crash.
-The way debris flies out of the middle of the buildings during the crash hints at explosives as well.



A) John McCain stood up to mainstream republicans when he was a CONGRESSMAN, before even becoming a senator. In the senate he worked with democrats almost as much as republicans in his first term, and yet he managed to become the republican nominee. If Obama is willing to sacrifice what he believes in to advance in his party, do we really want him as president? Also, every senator has 1 vote, being new doesn't mean he has less power.

B) In the words of someone I normally disagree with, Bill Maher, "Anyone who sees a huge plane crash into a building, then sees the building collapse shortly afterwords, and thinks 'there is probably something else going on here' " and then something to the affect of "is retarded". Do you realize how many people would have to be in on this plot in order for it to work? And not a SINGLE government official has come forward? It is easy to fake a moonlanding, it is hard to keep everyone in on it quiet for 40 years.
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coolcreep



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZeMuppet wrote:
If America has not invaded Iraq, I would argue about 9/11 being a false-flag terrorist attack.

Unfortunately, it seems very plausible. A few question still arise:

Why would America plant explosives if they were going to fly a plane into it anyway.
Where there people on the planes that hit.
Who was flying them.
and is Dick Cheney really that evil. (I can answer that, yes.)

Back to the Obama discussion.

Calling Obama names like "spineless" or "nigger" really only shows the name caller's ignorance.

Time well tell if he's going to be a good president or not, the only thing I know is I would rather of had Ron Paul.


I love how you put "spineless" and a word I won't repeat in the same sentence, as though the two are morally equivalent. It is not name-calling, it is pointing out that he voted with the democrats 97% of the time while a Senator. That shows that he is either a) a radical leftie or b) spineless. I chose the lesser of two evils, sue me. Although my ignorance is showing, as I am trying to have a rational discussion with a Ron Paul supporter.
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coolcreep



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

canibal wrote:
Hatredy wrote:
canibal wrote:
Quote:
We are the USA the #1 most hated country in the world.

And that's the way is going to stay. At least from my side.


Computers, the internet, and MTG were all invented in the USA. You should go spew your hate speech some place where it won't be so comically ironic.

First of all first computers were invented by Nazi's so they could calculate how much can a person work with his weight and height. I hate Nazi's and probably you do but you are still on computer and when you will be sick you wont refuse methods of healing (pills whatever) invented by Nazis while killing Jews and doing experiments on them.

I hate your politics and your attitude on other countries. Get the hell out of Middle east...oil prizes are going down. WW2 had nothing to do with you but you were in it anyway...I wonder why. .....

And damn Im still pretty suprised that Black President was elected. Im also wondering how much will he live before your Patriot fags kill them.

You are not Americans, Americans are only native. You are European (English, french, portuguese, spanish, dutch).

I could talk more but there si no use.



I'm not sure if this much stupid can actually be addressed all at once, but here goes...


a) that is not how computers were invented. Whoever told you that is wrong. I am not sure how else I can say this.

b) Germany declared war on America, not the other way around. They declared war a few days after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour.

c) Leaving the Middle East now will only lead to genocide. Before the election, Iraqis were polling overwhelmingly for McCain, because they know how stupid leaving is. Being against going in to begin with is fine, but withdrawing now is stupid.

d) Talking about how much you hate America and then citing America's "negative attitude towards other countires" as a reason is comically hypocritical.

e) Obama would have been assassinated a long time ago if it were do-able, security on the president > on a presidential candidate.

f) Your "you are not american" argument is awful, for a number of reasons. Firstly, no group is "native" to America. The first nations came here thousands of years ago when it was possible to walk from Asia to North America. Also, you could not possibly hope to list all the countries that Americans have ancestors from. Americans come from every corner of the globe.


Now, Go ahead and tell me I watch to much Faux News, thats pretty much all anyone ever says. I mean, I don't even get that channel but I must watch it, right?
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Craze



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well first of all, its called FOX News...

Secondly,

Quote:
c) Leaving the Middle East now will only lead to genocide. Before the election, Iraqis were polling overwhelmingly for McCain, because they know how stupid leaving is. Being against going in to begin with is fine, but withdrawing now is stupid.


Of course they want us to stay, they're getting a fucking free ride. Soldiers are patrolling their streets, rebuilding their towns, and giving them medical support. You know how much money we spend over there per day? A fucking lot.
However whether we leave tomorrow or in 10 years the result is going to be the same, that bullshit of a democracy we set up will collapse and the country will go to hell.

I hate that whole "it's ok to have disagreed with going in, but not about withdrawing" shit.
We shouldn't have gone in there, and we shouldn't still be there. We didn't go in there to reform Iraq, we went in there to remove Saddam. We did that. Now most of the world thinks we should leave and over half our country thinks we should leave. IT'S TIME TO LEAVE.

I don't know why America thinks it needs to reform the world into democracy when we are barely one ourselves.
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Craze



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Free Ride, because while their country is a fire fight, OUR money is whats holding the little of it altogether. It's our troops stopping insurgents from taking over. It's our money thats building back their towns. It's us thats basically policing them from themselves on a day to day basis.

Did I claim its a good deal for them? No. Of course they are leaving, I would too. But the ones that are staying need us there to stop it from getting worse. Only problem is, that until they start fucking fighting for themselves, it'll never get better. So it's pointless for us to be there.

If Obama withdraws us totally from Iraq within 2 years, I'll consider it a good term.
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Hank333



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Why hasn't any government official come forward?"
I would argue that they some have. Also there are aviation specialist, physicist, demolition experts who have come forward.
"They would never be able to keep it secret."
The Manhattan Project had 100,000 employees and was kept secret from the Vice President Truman until he became president.

I know this is already a dead thread, but people use bad logic to determine that 9/11 could not possible be a "conspiracy". It is all this group thinks. If you sit down, watch the tours fall, listen to the people and what they said THAT DAY if becomes clear that both buildings would not just happen to fall in the same manner, both with near perfect symmetry. And then WTC 7 is even worse, no plane hit it but it fell in under 7 seconds.
There were hundreds of reports of explosions after the planes hit. Look up Alex Rodriguez, he was in the basement and was injured by an explosion, stuck to the same story since 9/11/01. There is little evidence of the offical story. Why hasn't the FBI charged Bin Laden with 9/11? Look at the FBI website, he is charged for other terror attacks, but not 9/11. If fire could knock down the buildings, why spend time wiring explosives when atempting demolition, they could just set the buildings of fire and within a few hours, complete collapse. I am not blaming the US goverment, But everyone should have many more questions about the offical story.(Personally i blame the Isreally Secret Service.)
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AppleofEris



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's take this discussion down a different route.

WHY WOULD ELECTING JOHN MCCAIN BE A BAD IDEA?
Answer - He's 72 and has had cancer at least twice, not to mention he was a prisoner of war for many years. This tells me two things, he might have a lot of crazy in him and he will probably die soon.
So if he dies, do you know who our president will be? That's right kiddies, Sarah "Bulldog" Palin.

*shudders*

Now that's scarier than hell!
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coolcreep



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank333 wrote:
"Why hasn't any government official come forward?"
I would argue that they some have. Also there are aviation specialist, physicist, demolition experts who have come forward.
"They would never be able to keep it secret."
The Manhattan Project had 100,000 employees and was kept secret from the Vice President Truman until he became president.

I know this is already a dead thread, but people use bad logic to determine that 9/11 could not possible be a "conspiracy". It is all this group thinks. If you sit down, watch the tours fall, listen to the people and what they said THAT DAY if becomes clear that both buildings would not just happen to fall in the same manner, both with near perfect symmetry. And then WTC 7 is even worse, no plane hit it but it fell in under 7 seconds.
There were hundreds of reports of explosions after the planes hit. Look up Alex Rodriguez, he was in the basement and was injured by an explosion, stuck to the same story since 9/11/01. There is little evidence of the offical story. Why hasn't the FBI charged Bin Laden with 9/11? Look at the FBI website, he is charged for other terror attacks, but not 9/11. If fire could knock down the buildings, why spend time wiring explosives when atempting demolition, they could just set the buildings of fire and within a few hours, complete collapse. I am not blaming the US goverment, But everyone should have many more questions about the offical story.(Personally i blame the Isreally Secret Service.)



Oh ok, you are a troll. Thats fine then. Anyone who seriously thinks the Jews were responsible would know how to spell Israeli. I feel slightly embarrassed to have fallen for your trolling, as I am the master of trolls.
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Hank333



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right, i misspelt "israeli" but all the rest of my points remain unchallenged. Classic 9/11 truth debunking guys! Attack the messenger, not the message.
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