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| Do you think Julien's GP Copenhagen UBg Tog deck should be adjusted? |
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| No |
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| JULIEN RULES LEAVE IT AS IS!!!! |
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| Whose Julien? |
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DFGHDFG
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
Posts: 78
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 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:15 pm Post subject: UBg Psychatog Deck |
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As you probobly know Julien won GP Copenhagen with this deck :
SB: 2 Coffin Purge
SB: 3 Pernicious Deed
SB: 1 Darkblast
SB: 4 Ghastly Demise
SB: 1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
SB: 4 Duress
1 Darkblast
4 Mental Note
1 Life from the Loam
1 Deep Analysis
3 Smother
2 Mana Leak
3 Circular Logic
4 Force Spike
4 Counterspell
4 Gifts Ungiven
1 Wonder
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Genesis
4 Psychatog
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
9 Island
1 Cephalid Coliseum
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Swamp
2 Watery Grave
2 Overgrown Tomb
2 Lonely Sandbar
1 Barren Moor
2 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
Can this deck be edited and revised and should it?
Any comments are welcome. |
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Shagrath
Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 210
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: yes |
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yes , this deck can be revised!
replace stinkweed imp for possessed aven |
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knight_sage
Joined: 04 Sep 2004
Posts: 158
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:53 am Post subject: |
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I don't see a grave-troll  |
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shadowknight
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Posts: 20
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:59 am Post subject: |
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i like the imp in the build...
maybe i dont change Main deck, but i like to find some space for 3 oxidize in side, for needles that can hurt early pernicious or psychatog kill. |
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Stevo_24
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 8
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| adjusted for what? Thats kind of vague, you couold adjust it to the ML metagame or your local metagame etc... |
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T0G
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 6
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Taking the Imp out of the deck is one of the most stupid things you could possibly do. It is one of your two best Gifts targets and is an amazing defensive AND offensive card. I would take out the Mental Notes and up the Smother, Logic, and Leak counts to 4. |
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DFGHDFG
Joined: 17 Sep 2005
Posts: 78
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I've been playtesting and found that this deck works very well with the mental notes. They help accelerate the dredge and life from the loam "combo". I really wanna work on this deck and make it very viable because aggro decks can beat this. |
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Dr_Moo
Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 950
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| T0G wrote: | | Taking the Imp out of the deck is one of the most stupid things you could possibly do. It is one of your two best Gifts targets and is an amazing defensive AND offensive card. I would take out the Mental Notes and up the Smother, Logic, and Leak counts to 4. |
Good fit or not, there is no way to justify saying that a 1/2 for a 3 is an "amazing offensive card". |
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Skizzik
Joined: 09 Oct 2004
Posts: 46
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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-1 Meloku
-4 Mental Note
+1 Circular Logic
+4 Opt
Why should I make these changes? |
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Stevo_24
Joined: 12 Jan 2005
Posts: 8
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr_Moo wrote: | | T0G wrote: | | Taking the Imp out of the deck is one of the most stupid things you could possibly do. It is one of your two best Gifts targets and is an amazing defensive AND offensive card. I would take out the Mental Notes and up the Smother, Logic, and Leak counts to 4. |
Good fit or not, there is no way to justify saying that a 1/2 for a 3 is an "amazing offensive card". |
It's an amazing offensive card because 5 in the yard speeds up your clock like crazy, hence making the deck more aggressive. Hardcasting it and attacking obv isnt the way you are going to win your games. |
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T0G
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Good fit or not, there is no way to justify saying that a 1/2 for a 3 is an "amazing offensive card". |
Lmao. It's offensive capabilities have nothing to do with it being a 1/2 Flying for 3. I'm pretty sure you're smart enough, as I've seen your posts before, to realize that the Dredge is what makes it good. It gets Genesis, Wonder, Cycling Lands, Loam, and most importantly cards to pump Tog. It lets you win in normally unwinnable positions, esepcially with Coliseum or Cycling lands + T0G. I'm sorry, I know this is all obvious, but your post didn't make it seem that way.
| Quote: | | I've been playtesting and found that this deck works very well with the mental notes. They help accelerate the dredge and life from the loam "combo". I really wanna work on this deck and make it very viable because aggro decks can beat this. |
It's funny because you praise Mental Note and then talk about the exact reason that it needs to leave the deck: You need more control. 4 Smothers, Leaks, and Logics give you more control over the game. You already have enough ways to find your engine and Mental Note is just one of those cool cards that doesn't do a whole lot. I know that there are many situations when you want to draw this card, but there are more when you need to draw spells that control the pace of the game and not just net you a card and some in the graveyard, you have cycling lands, Gifts, and Coliseum for that. |
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Skellum
Joined: 11 Nov 2004
Posts: 48
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:08 am Post subject: |
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-1 analysis
-1 force spike
+1 smother
+1 nightmare void |
I would keep the Force spikes at the maximum as they're just so good. In my testing it takes a bit for them to become obsolete
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-1 Meloku
-4 Mental Note
+1 Circular Logic
+4 Opt |
Uh.......Meloku is savage i wouldn't drop him and I would rather have Mental note over Opt any day of the week |
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shadowknight
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
Posts: 20
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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i think the maindeck is so good at it is, maybe the deep analysis is unnecesary as it have 4 gifts...
the problem i found is the deck is really weak against affinity, it has a lot of blocker for a pumped super atog.
more main deck creature crontol is a must, and the side must be redisigned, adding oxidize and a second darkblast.
obv all depends on metagame... |
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VacancyMan
Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 308
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| Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr_Moo wrote: | | there is no way to justify saying that a 1/2 for a 3 is an "amazing offensive card." |
I would call Mr. Teeth himself a pretty amazing offensive card. I know what you're saying Moo, but the irony just makes me giggle  |
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gumonshoe
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 433
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| shadowknight wrote: | the problem i found is the deck is really weak against affinity, it has a lot of blocker for a pumped super atog.
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the deed works good against affinity |
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