by pg8 on 2012-08-16 08:52 CET

Past in Flames is such an unfair card.

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by struikje on 2012-08-16 10:03 CET

maybe I'm missing something but why is cabal therapy better then thoughtseize/duress? I don't see how you ever flash it back.

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by Tao on 2012-08-16 10:47 CET

@struikje: Ritual, Ritual, Sac Lotus Petal, Past in Flames, Flashback Therapy. ezpz.

(also unlike with Thoughtseize if they have 2 Force of Wills you force them to use it)

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by Burton911 on 2012-08-16 11:15 CET

I was asking myself the same thing. I only see Gitaxian Probe, but in most cases Thoughtseize/Duress would do the same thing, only that they also do it without the probe. Maybe you want to name Force anyway cause all the Time cause you win if the don't have it i guess.

@Tao: he meant the actual Theraphy flashback not the PiF induced one.
And if the have 0 Forces and a Daze ... i think you can see were this is going.

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by struikje on 2012-08-16 11:40 CET

so it is better when they have 2 forces and thats all?

I guess with 7cards that allready see the hand its manageable, but without the ability to flashback it seems marginal to me.

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by Duodax on 2012-08-16 15:01 CET

3rd deck is better than 2nd ans still busted unfortunately.

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by DonDiggy on 2012-08-16 15:08 CET

In most Games, Cabal Ritual just reads like: "Discard target FoW and all cards with the same name". And well, in matchups without FoW you still have the possibility to do 2 by 1's, also nice. Its strictly better than TS, by far.

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by pg8 on 2012-08-16 16:40 CET

Therapy turns Gitaxian Probe into a cantripping Thoughtseize. That never really came up, so I think I want Thoughtseize instead. The life loss is actually relevant, since Ad Nauseam only wins you the game if you have enough life to draw enough cards with it. In fact, I never cast Ad Nauseam against Delver because they were just too fast.

Every now and then you can flashback Therapy off of Warrens, which isn't irrelvant, but also is very rare.

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by pg8 on 2012-08-16 16:42 CET

Therapy is also better than Thoughtseize after you resolve Ad Nauseam, since you never have more than 4 life to spare and you almost always have a Probe to spare. Of course, at that point discard is just about irrelevant since they should have Mindbreak Trapped your Ad Nauseam anyway.

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by pg8 on 2012-08-16 16:55 CET

Finally, there is very rarely more than 1 individual card that can actually beat you, and Therapy is either 2 discards spells or an assurance that you can go off. Against Maverick, it names Thalia. Delver, Force of Will (or Spell Snare if you know they have it, but it's rare).

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by Steveman on 2012-08-16 18:21 CET

Cabal Therapy can take out multiple Humilities

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by pg8 on 2012-08-16 21:18 CET

Humility is insane against ANT.

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by pg8 on 2012-08-16 21:18 CET

(and DonDiggy is right, Thoughtseize can't beat 2 Thalias)

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by struikje on 2012-08-16 21:36 CET

sweet thanks^^

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by Yavimaya73 on 2012-08-18 05:54 CET

What many players may think..
"Oh sweet, I get to play this awesome deck I copied off of someone else's idea...time to kick butt."

What really happens..
First turn...dump hand, proceed to win game, other player never gets a turn. Have a nice day.

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by pg8 on 2012-08-18 07:06 CET

Who wins on the first turn? If ANT won on the first turn, why would it play discard?

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by Steveman on 2012-08-18 17:14 CET

Go be hipster somewhere else please

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by Terri on 2012-08-19 14:54 CET

i thought poeple play 4 duress in ANT and if they need more than 4 discard spells they just fill it up with inquisition or may be thoughtseize.

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by Steveman on 2012-08-19 17:56 CET

Inquisition can't take out FoW

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by pg8 on 2012-08-19 18:24 CET

Duress can't take out Teeg

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by voltoaomundo on 2012-08-20 09:16 CET

I play TES irl. ANT seems to have a better mana base but it is much harder to go off turn 1-2 against something like Show and Tell when you need to. Orims chant and silence also time walk against maverick.

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