by Duodax on 2012-07-12 01:45 CET

14 sources to cast t1 Elf. How the hell can this work? My eyes bleed...

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by CMA-Flippi on 2012-07-12 02:01 CET

14 is enough.

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by Zero-Meia on 2012-07-12 02:19 CET

name of the elves deck should be Elves!

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by DonDiggy on 2012-07-12 05:30 CET

With 14 green Sources for Turn1 you have a statistical chance of 86% for having one on your starting seven. Seems fair imho, cause this deck doesn't die from a mulligan, but ofc from floods.

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by AxiomBlurr on 2012-07-12 09:01 CET

Crop rotation is such a power house...to state the obvious - - love it when a deck with no islands wins!!~~

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by MitchMachine on 2012-07-12 09:10 CET

I count 17.

And 14 aint enough..

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by Burton911 on 2012-07-12 09:25 CET

14 green sources that are available on turn 1

elfball is another name for the deck.
I think Elves! originally came from the BG T2 Elves Deck and then transfered to the T2 Elves Combo Decks somehow

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by GreenBear on 2012-07-12 09:55 CET

I thought the original creator of elves was magic-leagues own KeySam.

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by DonDiggy on 2012-07-12 10:08 CET

The Term Elfball has its roots in the good old extended and a little later in Legacy. Elves! was a name for the last Appearance of Mono Green Elves in T2, the deck with Ezuri and Genesis Wave.

And well, 14 green sources on Turn1 is really enough Mitch. You just dont want to play more Lands in Elfball, since a higher number wrecks your chance to explode with Force and Glimpses. And well, two Cradles are a musthave, only thing to think about is the 1-Off Dryad Abor. But Turn1 Zenith into Abor is sometimes useful, so its okay imho.

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by WarBeast on 2012-07-12 10:16 CET

Had good matchups against both top2 and I still lost...
At least I lost to some nice guy :D

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by WarBeast on 2012-07-12 10:17 CET

Btw Dev, u owe me a rematch! xD

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by aqualad33 on 2012-07-12 10:48 CET

um actually I calculated 89.8% chance of having one in your opening hand. I'm fairly certain that I did the calculation correctly

1-(46/60)(45/59)(44/58)(43/57)(42/56)(41/55)(40/54)(39/53)

basically 1 - possibility that you do not draw any t1 mana sources.

and that is definitely a very consistent percentage.

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by Kaesh on 2012-07-12 11:31 CET

aqualad33: you shouldn't have included the last factor, 46!/39! is 46*45*44*43*42*41*40 and ditto with 60!/53!.

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by CMA-Flippi on 2012-07-12 13:46 CET

I invented the name Elfball.

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by JohnnyBravo on 2012-07-12 14:39 CET

Its a kind of soccer played by elves xD

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by WarBeast on 2012-07-12 15:14 CET

Elfball -> Mana like shit through Rofellos, priest and craddle and fireball you!

Thats where the name came from... -.-'

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by mtgsoldier on 2012-07-12 15:51 CET

Inventors gonna invent

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by Burton911 on 2012-07-12 17:22 CET

I was talking of how the name came to the modern combo Elves deck, im aware the the simple name Elves! was around far longer.
I did not know about Elfball tough, it kinda makes sense :>

And i was talking about the name only not about the origins of the deck (i know about the deck on ML since i have played it prior to Pro Tour Berlin as i was already on ML back then)

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