April 2009 Standard (T2) Deck lists: RW Cruise, Bant Aggro, Rb Blightning Aggro

by Alvaro21k on 2009-02-11 19:39 EDT

Congrats Manuel!
gogogo team quimera and mtg.la :P
btw, that should be RW Cruise

by center on 2009-02-11 19:46 EDT

god you drew all 3 against me....

by coolcreep on 2009-02-11 19:51 EDT

wtf no mogg fanatic in Rb aggro? And you are running Hovel too...

by aldaryn on 2009-02-11 20:23 EDT

balefire liege is cool, i think rw should play a couple glorious anthem too

by CB on 2009-02-11 20:32 EDT

Amen to that Coolcreep. Wheres the love for the Fanatic?

CB

by ErieEd on 2009-02-11 20:33 EDT

It seems like RW is the new faeries

by Verdana on 2009-02-11 21:11 EDT

gah I finished 5th :<

by Tird_Ape on 2009-02-11 22:23 EDT

Rw tokens? That is cruise

by aldaryn on 2009-02-11 22:48 EDT

yeah, well, it has tokens

by ErieEd on 2009-02-11 23:43 EDT

No....just no

by thranarama on 2009-02-12 00:12 EDT

am i the only one who noticed that the bant deck is running snakeform and not bant charm?

by LordLink on 2009-02-12 02:08 EDT

Snakeform is amazing in Bant and deserves 3-4 slots but... over Bant Charm? Really?

Man, with faeries you knew where your hate was, some nice simple blue and/or flying hate. Now magic actually requires some thought.

by Craze on 2009-02-12 02:24 EDT

Snakeform is meh, honestly I've tested it over PtE, and PtE is just more useful in the long run. But yeah of course I used Bant Charm too.
Seems crazy to me to use Elspeth in the deck but not Bant Charm, but then again, he won and I get my ass kicked. So what do I know? :-P

I can't figure out if RB Blightning is good and just not being used enough or if its just ok and the 2 times it made t4 was luck.

by jakeywakey on 2009-02-12 02:44 EDT

its super obvious to me that rb would have been alot better off with outlander in this.

by wilier on 2009-02-12 03:22 EDT

MOGG FANATIC in Blightning? Why? What should it substitute? No way.
The really important things you don't talk about:
1- SGC » DEMIGOD
2- Where's Goblin Outlander? This card really helps agains WW obv And Cruise (not too much,but helps) where this deck loses horrible.
3- The sideboard isn't the best obv.
4- 25 lands is too much, 24 is perfect. :P

Ps: Blightning with an hammer rocks ^^'

by Shagrath on 2009-02-12 04:18 EDT

Comparing pte with snakeform is like comparing angelina jolie with oprah.

by LordLink on 2009-02-12 04:38 EDT

well Oprah > Angelina Jolie (although they both look like crap) but I can't figure out if you think Snakeform or Path to Exile is better Shagrath.

by Shagrath on 2009-02-12 04:56 EDT

Pte obv. By obvious aspects. I think that some ppl are underrating pte a bit , and i simply dont know why.

Oprah > Angelina Jolie? WTF?!

by Ekop on 2009-02-12 05:45 EDT

Can someone please tell me which Deck beats RW Cruise? :(

by TugaChampion on 2009-02-12 05:47 EDT

Some people still haven't realized Murderous Redcap isn't good in RW Lark. And Fulminator Mage main? Every deck has targets but you only want it vs 5c mostly.

by Nickname7 on 2009-02-12 06:41 EDT

Omg, you should be more creative

by TugaChampion on 2009-02-12 07:36 EDT

Ekop I was playing RW Lark and got my ass beaten by KeySam playing a Planeswalkers.dec

by Schmirglie on 2009-02-12 07:48 EDT

Redcap is actually very nice. It kills so many creatures, and can damage Planeswalkers as well.
I was thinking about the Fulminators as well, but very many decks are hungry to mana. In the Mirror often the player first reaching 5 Mana wins. Killing Manlands or lands with fertile ground can be very useful, in addition to the screwing effekt
Also, both cards have nice synergy with Reveillark and they are stronger than any of the many 1/1 creatures in the format.

by MephistoPT on 2009-02-12 08:48 EDT

by TugaChampion on 2009-02-12 12:36 GMT

Ekop I was playing RW Lark and got my ass beaten by KeySam playing a Planeswalkers.dec

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Same here =/

by TugaChampion on 2009-02-12 09:09 EDT

Fulminator is decent but not good enough against everything to be maindeck. I'd rather have a mogg fanatic most of the time.

And Redcap is really bad. I tested it and it was one of the first cards to go out. For 4 mana it never does anything relevant.

by TheBends on 2009-02-12 09:14 EDT

Redcap is really bad but i rly like fulminator mage as a 3 of is really helps in alot of matchups g1.

Banefire seems interesting but i really like flame javelin its a great card and great removal and pte is just crazy. i rly dont know about banefire seems kinda bad.
Balefire is great ive been playing it since it appeared on mtgo and its the best.

Knight of white orchid works great.

Congratz to top4.

by MephistoPT on 2009-02-12 09:18 EDT

Banefire is a great finisher!

I often do 10-15 dmg to the opponent early with this deck and many times find myself waiting to topdeck Banefire to finish him off...

by CB on 2009-02-12 09:59 EDT

Mogg Fanatic should substitute Redcap IMO. I don't play RB so I am no expert but I have been playing faeries forever and Fanatic makes any game more challenging for Fae. I know Fae isn't really the top dog right now but you can never forget about it, its freakin Fae.
So, if no Fanatic, please explain why to me! I would love your insights RXK7.

CB

by Conkisstador on 2009-02-12 10:37 EDT

i say it every time RW wins... Brion Stoutarm. And if you play Brion you must run the 1x Harbinger version. It creates an engine to win thru mirrors and faeries.

And fae still beats RW

apart from that you have to wait for kyoto for my real answer "what beats RW?"

by TugaChampion on 2009-02-12 11:14 EDT

"And fae still beats RW"

I loled! RW eats faeries! It's not even fair lol! And it doesn't even need volcanic fallout. The match up was already pretty good before Conflux.

by Vingard on 2009-02-12 11:56 EDT

Tuga is correct:
RW lark got a + matchup vs faeries if it runs enough removals to deal with Mistbind clique.

by wilier on 2009-02-12 12:45 EDT

"Mogg Fanatic should substitute Redcap IMO. I don't play RB so I am no expert but I have been playing faeries forever and Fanatic makes any game more challenging for Fae. I know Fae isn't really the top dog right now but you can never forget about it, its freakin Fae.
So, if no Fanatic, please explain why to me! I would love your insights RXK7. "

Just by the fact that you don't need him vs nothing. Is a good card obv. but not necessary, against fae you will win without him, against ww LOL, against bw is cool +-, against cruise LOL, against mirror is cool.
You have FOD and ghitu to first drops, then you need redcap for lategame. he is really good like SGC :P

by Hermes on 2009-02-12 14:10 EDT

No love for the two drop anymore in Cruise??
No Meadowgrain or KotWO??? I've already cut out Mind Stone and am just playing 25 lands as a preference I suppose. And Redcap is truthfully not good...well not in this...I've never felt like I got the 4 mana investment worth. I really like Fulminator but wouldn't he be counter productive with PtE main now??? Also I haven't been able to test it yet, but is Banefire really worth the slot?

by Alvaro21k on 2009-02-12 14:24 EDT

by Hermes on 2009-02-12 14:10 EST

No love for the two drop anymore in Cruise??
No Meadowgrain or KotWO??? I've already cut out Mind Stone and am just playing 25 lands as a preference I suppose. And Redcap is truthfully not good...well not in this...I've never felt like I got the 4 mana investment worth. I really like Fulminator but wouldn't he be counter productive with PtE main now??? Also I haven't been able to test it yet, but is Banefire really worth the slot?

Well Manuel's list does use Ko2

by TugaChampion on 2009-02-12 15:16 EDT

I agree with Hermes in the redcap part. It's not that it's a bad card. It just that in this deck it rarely is worth 4 mana. It's impact on the game is usually small. I'd rather play Finks if you want a persist guy.

by Pretoriano on 2009-02-12 15:42 EDT

congrats [Manuelgoyf] , you just made me hate RW Cruise more....
nice list :P !

by thecalkroach on 2009-02-12 17:33 EDT

I like how the Bant Aggro has 5 (!) sources of first-turn G for Noble Hierarch, ostensibly the second-best card in the deck ...

by KeySam on 2009-02-12 17:52 EDT

The planeswalker deck i played does consitently beat rw cruise(round 1 and round 2 matchup where that), then i played latura and lost, although i dont think its a bad matchup per se.

by Super_Prep on 2009-02-12 18:46 EDT

(Reply to Ekop)

R/W Cruise may seem to be hard to beat, but its not really. Bant, and Naya seem to handle Cruise decently. But the only deck that really gets a grip on Cruise is 5C Control. With the correct sideboard, you won't be worried by red decks. But in some cases its hard to stop them from winning that first game.

by Craze on 2009-02-12 21:07 EDT

Quote: RXK7
MOGG FANATIC in Blightning? Why? What should it substitute? No way.
The really important things you don't talk about:
1- SGC » DEMIGOD
2- Where's Goblin Outlander? This card really helps agains WW obv And Cruise (not too much,but helps) where this deck loses horrible.
3- The sideboard isn't the best obv.
4- 25 lands is too much, 24 is perfect. :P
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1. In a deck with more mana or naturally reanimating cards like Reveillark, then yes it can be better. But here you throw a SCG out, you get a 2/2 which is most likely to die before you can use it's ability and 3 tokens. You throw Demigod out and bam a 5/4 Flying haste with potential to bring out other 5/4 flying hastes.
In this deck: Demigod > SCG

2. I'd say hes got RW Cruise covered with Volcanic Fallout and Magma Spray.
The discard doesn't hurt either.

3. The only thing about the sb I don't get is Ashenmoor Gouger, wtf is that really for?

4. 25 is too much. I'd say 22-23.

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Quote: Ekop
Can someone please tell me which Deck beats RW Cruise? :(
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Jund Ramp kicks it's ass.

by Latura on 2009-02-13 00:00 EDT

Im latura,i think all of you are so random,you only know to say bad thing about the deck...but if yours deck are better why they arent here? xD do me the questions,bye "PROS" XD

by Lantero on 2009-02-13 09:51 EDT

I would change my ML-country flag after reading that.

by Lantero on 2009-02-13 09:51 EDT

by wilier on 2009-02-13 10:13 EDT

1. In a deck with more mana or naturally reanimating cards like Reveillark, then yes it can be better. But here you throw a SCG out, you get a 2/2 which is most likely to die before you can use it's ability and 3 tokens. You throw Demigod out and bam a 5/4 Flying haste with potential to bring out other 5/4 flying hastes.
In this deck: Demigod > SCG

2. I'd say hes got RW Cruise covered with Volcanic Fallout and Magma Spray.
The discard doesn't hurt either.

3. The only thing about the sb I don't get is Ashenmoor Gouger, wtf is that really for?

4. 25 is too much. I'd say 22-23.

Demigod > SGC? LOOOOOL Demigod will be chum blocked by a token obv or even be removed by condemn, bant charm, PTE obv, unmake etc etc
If they kill the SGC so what? 3 tokens last. One less removal by the opponent.

25 is too much is true! 22/ 23? no way. 24

by Craze on 2009-02-13 23:36 EDT

Quote: Latura
Im latura,i think all of you are so random,you only know to say bad thing about the deck...but if yours deck are better why they arent here? xD do me the questions,bye "PROS" XD
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You are Lautra? NO WAY!! WHO WOULD OF GUESSED!!

No but seriously, placing 4th in a ML trial makes you no better then anyone else, and thus you are open to criticism of others like everyone else.

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Quote: RXK7
Demigod > SGC? LOOOOOL Demigod will be chum blocked by a token obv or even be removed by condemn, bant charm, PTE obv, unmake etc etc
If they kill the SGC so what? 3 tokens last. One less removal by the opponent.

25 is too much is true! 22/ 23? no way. 24
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SCG would die before it's useful, and then your left with what? 3 1/1s for the price of 5cc. Not that great at all. Demigod may be open to things like Bant or PtE(who uses Condemn anymore?), but mostly likely being as you play hand disruption, you are gonna get at least 5 damage to them off it. And thanks to miracle spells like Volcanic Fallout and Magma Spray, it's very unlikely that a flying token will get in your way.
Better yet, if they manage to kill the thing normally like with a top deck WoG or a horde of flying creatures, you can always play another one and get one free.
As I said, in this deck Demigod > SCG. And don't go "LOOOOOL" it makes you look like an idiot.

Also 24 lands in a deck with a max cap of 5cc, and an average of 3cc cards, is way too much. Unless you like drawing land late game. But I dunno, you might like to.

by Bl4ck_J4ck on 2009-02-14 17:36 EDT

LOL... Balefire liege...

by wilier on 2009-02-15 16:18 EDT

"SCG would die before it's useful, and then your left with what? 3 1/1s for the price of 5cc. Not that great at all. Demigod may be open to things like Bant or PtE(who uses Condemn anymore?), but mostly likely being as you play hand disruption, you are gonna get at least 5 damage to them off it. And thanks to miracle spells like Volcanic Fallout and Magma Spray, it's very unlikely that a flying token will get in your way.
Better yet, if they manage to kill the thing normally like with a top deck WoG or a horde of flying creatures, you can always play another one and get one free.
As I said, in this deck Demigod > SCG. And don't go "LOOOOOL" it makes you look like an idiot.

Also 24 lands in a deck with a max cap of 5cc, and an average of 3cc cards, is way too much. Unless you like drawing land late game. But I dunno, you might like to."

Test the deck please.

by Craze on 2009-02-16 21:30 EDT

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Test the deck please.
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I have...your turn.