April 2009 Extended (1.x) Deck lists: Affinity, Naya, Doran the Explorer, Red Deck Wins

by Duodax on 2009-01-24 17:00 EDT

T2 Deck in Ext. You broke the format, seriosly!

by FlyingFreak on 2009-01-24 17:01 EDT

congrats dupredador, this makes me feel a little beter after my really unlucky loss against you :)

by Trotsky1 on 2009-01-24 17:01 EDT

I guess running your type 2 deck in an extended tournament is one tough way to test its metal.

Also I've always thought in a meta where affinity is not the prime target thropter is better then jar more so since plating came out.

by ZW on 2009-01-24 17:04 EDT

Seriously, decks like the one in 2nd make me question the existence of a greater being, or atleast question his morality.

by M4n4k1n on 2009-01-24 17:13 EDT

i lost to dupredador flipping head on #flips ;(

by hawt on 2009-01-24 17:13 EDT

LMAO good job to 1 3 4 place not the 2 place deck look bad

by Dracon_ian on 2009-01-24 17:13 EDT

I just find it brilliantly funny that Naya came second, it's like at the pro-tour someone played an almost block bant deck, and won games. Show how powerful T2 is these days.

by R4nd0m on 2009-01-24 17:14 EDT

I only have 3 words:
what the fuck.

by P1n on 2009-01-24 17:15 EDT

Realm Razer conquered extended, can it do the same on t2?

by SilverMcHowl on 2009-01-24 17:17 EDT

Kromat, check the past few trials. I've gotten top 4, 2nd, and 1st with this deck.

Duodax, i take that as a compliment.
Trotsky1, damn straight. :)

by scwizard on 2009-01-24 17:18 EDT

Ok I give up, the meta makes no fucking sense anymore.

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-24 17:19 EDT

ZW: decks like the one in 2nd winning IN STANDARD make me question the players' skills. But decks like that winning IN EXTENDED takes away any doubts I had about the players' skills.

I mean the guy probably doesn't even know what Extended or Standard mean. If you make a Shards of Alara trial I'm sure he won't win because as soon as he plays a non shards card he loses.

by Duodax on 2009-01-24 17:21 EDT

u could at least play helix instead of magma spray and don´t say u have trouble with finks :)

by ZW on 2009-01-24 17:27 EDT

u could atleast play a real deck...i seriously think this tourney mustve been like all 59 island 1 wandering ones decks which were all beat by these 4 decks and then silvermchowl got a bye in the semis

by Ryk on 2009-01-24 17:27 EDT

Congratulations

dupredador and PV ...
i lost pv for 3 round ...
=)

by scwizard on 2009-01-24 17:40 EDT

If any of these decks win the master I'll be very surprised.

by DteamKira on 2009-01-24 17:41 EDT

in spanish 1 word, papeloon
a t2 deck on the final ?? well i think there is 1 answer his or her opp takes too many mulls, or have scrwed

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-24 17:47 EDT

This is why everyone says m-l sucks. I think they should actually deck check everyone in trials to remove these stupid decks.

One thing is Jacois playing that Mono blue deck. It clearly wasn't optimal with cards like dream fracture but in a meta with few Zoo decks it's actually a decent deck if optimized.

This however is just loading a bad T2 deck for an Extended tournament. If you go to a store and you only have a T2 deck to play in an Extended tournament you have the excuse that you don't have another deck. But in here you have access to all cards for free...

by flynnT on 2009-01-24 18:03 EDT

that t2 deck there shouldnt make you question magic league or something - it should make you question MAGIC in general and all those metagaming thoughts and so on...

by Boogaloo on 2009-01-24 18:05 EDT

I guess I would agree with everyone that the Naya deck got second because of luck or the possibility that everyone else played crap, but then again, the people who said that were knocked out within the first couple of rounds.

Nice job Top 4!

by ZW on 2009-01-24 18:09 EDT

by flynnT on 2009-01-24 18:03 EST

that t2 deck there shouldnt make you question magic league or something - it should make you question MAGIC in general and all those metagaming thoughts and so on...

Nah, not at all. Sometimes a bad deck gets lucky and wins, especially when there are so many bad decks like there are here. It's just like sometimes the Lions will beat the Steelers if they play enough games. Bad decks have played in so many tournies, eventually one will get lucky and win.

by SilverMcHowl on 2009-01-24 18:18 EDT

Right, everyone should play the same 2 or 3 decks that is considered the best. Idiots that take away the fun of magic. Boring.

by ZW on 2009-01-24 18:20 EDT

Winning = fun. Good decks = win.

by scwizard on 2009-01-24 18:29 EDT

I bet winning with a T2 deck in T1.x is even more fun than winning normally.

by Trotsky1 on 2009-01-24 18:40 EDT

Even if you call it a bad deck which in all honesty in extended it pretty much is the results speaks volumes of the player himself. Results are everything and this probably speaks the loudest about how good the deck is, this was extended and the 2nd place deck was type 2. Its not the first time the deck has placed its not a fluke.

This means 2 things the deck is better than it looks and the pilot has almost certainly outplayed a few people to get the results hes got, so stop hating it and wake up.

by Lynolf on 2009-01-24 18:40 EDT

I sincerely don't understand these people...

Have you actually played Hell Razer in T2? Well, I have, and let me tell you: the deck is awesome. Controlling the early board with big creatures such as Figure of Destiny and Woolly Thoctar and then end the game with Naya Charm and Realm Razer... Its so fucking cool! :D
I barely lose with that deck because not many people know it's strategy or the cards it possesses, that's another reason why the deck is strong, and "possibly" a reason why that deck reached 2nd place.

But seriously, Hell Razer in T2 is a viable deck to play, but in Extended... As it was mentioned above, the author could, at least, have the smartness of adding some Lightning Helixes and Dual Lands. And I suppose he didn't catch any combo deck in the way, because he would be smashed BIG. By the way, Elvish Piper? Seriously?

But hey, whatever. If it won, I can't say it sucks. Unless the decks he battled sucked even more. (Which, I think, is the case) :P

by Euge on 2009-01-24 18:45 EDT

the thing is that m-l rly sucks coz trial are sigle elimination with bizzare rules if the match is going to a draw...

by wilier on 2009-01-24 18:51 EDT

Oh come on lets play serious magic. ok?

by LordLink on 2009-01-24 18:56 EDT

If you actually look at each card he has a good Zoo and Burn matchup. He can probably also tackle faeries if he can force a realm razor through, although that match will require a bit of luck. Remember Explosives doesn't hurt him and thats the big anti-aggro card of extended.

by Shooter on 2009-01-24 19:04 EDT

by Euge on 2009-01-24 15:45 PST

the thing is that m-l rly sucks coz trial are sigle elimination with bizzare rules if the match is going to a draw...

it's wotc's rules for single elimination, not ml's. Complain to wizards

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-24 19:11 EDT

Trotsky1 you forgot the 3rd and most likely option: the guy is the biggest lucksacker ever.

If the faces TEPS, Elves or even Dregde is just can't win. Deathcloud also eats this for breakfast. I doubt it can beat faeries. It only has Kitchen Finks and a 4mana Lightning Helix against burn. It depends on the draws but they can kill bloom tender and a resolved Vortex is probably gg. Zoo is also very fast. While you're playing figure of destiny and pumping it they play 3/3s and 2/3 for 1 mana e burn it when you try to make it a 4/4. Kitchen Finks is going to hurt but it's probably not enough. Those bloom tenders and bops are nice targets for fanatic. And even the worst deck in extended aka Demigod Stompy probably beats this pile.

by Trotsky1 on 2009-01-24 19:22 EDT

Im not claiming the deck is a good deck in extended. But unless magic-league has changed since I played here you do not need a good deck you just need to know how to play magic, as more than half the players here can not.

Have you ever won managed to get 2nd place in an extended trial with a t2 deck? That's no easy feat and even if you do not respect the deck, there is no BW for MWS so you should respect the player.

If there was a T2 trial after this result I know i would be playing this deck. You can not put it all down to bad luck it is to easy to put it all down to luck if you do not like but also wrong. Maybe it was more playskill than deck construction thats what I think. But eben if that is the case if its a T2 deck and it can get 2nd in an extd trial where there are god knows how many more cards avaliable only an idiot would right it down to luck with out further investigation and certainly no scientist.

by SilverMcHowl on 2009-01-24 19:24 EDT

Funny, I went up against two dredge decks.

Trotsky, thanks.

by BloodyAngel on 2009-01-24 19:48 EDT

WOW PROTOUR ZIMBAWE

by ik on 2009-01-24 20:08 EDT

Omfg McHowl does it again... im so building this deck for standard ahahahaha...

by el_cuervito on 2009-01-24 20:09 EDT

lol pv deck suck =/
he like play 4 legendary cards

nice sb affinity o.O

by Kytep on 2009-01-24 20:12 EDT

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-24 18:11 CST

Trotsky1 you forgot the 3rd and most likely option: the guy is the biggest lucksacker ever.

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Let me get this straight: The "most likely option" is that an extremely low-probability event (Top 4 in multiple trials with a sub-par deck and/or sub-par play) occurred??

What were the "less likely" options again?

Kytep

by Brodie on 2009-01-24 20:12 EDT

It doesn't matter what deck finishes well, Magic-League is a pissing contest of complaints with anti-social jackasses who don't have the social life safety net to fall back on when they don't successfully reach the top ranks of online Magic: the Gathering tournaments.

Defending him is futile, so I won't, because it could be the most optimal "normal" deck imaginable and the mob of diseased scrotums that is this playerbase would still shout grade school insults at each other as if it proves anything.

Silver, thanks for making my day. To the rest of m-l, I'll continue to enjoy not playing with you under any circumstances so that I may maintain the fun of the game by playing with adults--or at least kids less astoundingly pathetic.

by ZW on 2009-01-24 20:22 EDT

LOL, I think everyone can agree the deck is hardly viable in any format other than sealed. He got lucky and got good matchups, good for him. However, I recommend no one plays this in a real tourney because it is so bad versus so many decks.

by Zuzarte on 2009-01-24 21:01 EDT

must be a bug :/

by CaLa on 2009-01-24 21:03 EDT

omg :-P
sb affinity ......

great naya :-PP

by CaLa on 2009-01-24 21:03 EDT

omg :-P
sb affinity ......

great naya :-PP

by pablo_winner on 2009-01-24 21:24 EDT

deck t2 in the finals ???
lol lol lol is stupid !!!!!

by snoopster on 2009-01-24 22:04 EDT

get off my lawn you damn kids!!!

by dragon1299 on 2009-01-24 22:43 EDT

Affinity DQ lol.

Wow, Silver, you just broke all formats. 2nd place t2 deck... says more about ml than the deck though. But you can't say he got lucky, he T4ed the past few T2 trials as well.

by DaveK on 2009-01-24 23:22 EDT

I second everything Brodie said above.

by Benny-Lava on 2009-01-24 23:40 EDT

Congratulations for your big balls Mr McHowl
I <3 Brodie !

by trueeevil on 2009-01-25 02:58 EDT

Could you at least play good lands?

3 austere command? nice deck. For those of you congratulating him for his placing, learn magic please. Jungle shrine, brushland? elvish piper in a finks? nice plan.

by Diablo49 on 2009-01-25 03:31 EDT

t2 in ext is for the (win) top!

by Spyx on 2009-01-25 04:15 EDT

-1 jitte -1 teeq +2 witness seems good for the doran deck.

by Benobi on 2009-01-25 05:14 EDT

Okay, I'm all for innovation, but the Extended cardpool offers so many more cards for that deck - fetches, duals, Lightning Helix, Tarmogoyf, Tormod's Crypt, Chrome Mox, Slice and Dice, Umezawa's Jitte... Silver, can you at least explain why you're not playing any of these?

by ChiDoRiE on 2009-01-25 05:44 EDT

that deck is not playable in type 2, much less extended

shame on everyone who played this trial

by TheBends on 2009-01-25 07:34 EDT

LOL.

Enough Said.

by Shagrath on 2009-01-25 09:12 EDT

just one thing, its not red deck wins, its monored burn.

by M4n4k1n on 2009-01-25 09:42 EDT

by Shooter on 2009-01-25 01:04 CET
it's wotc's rules for single elimination, not ml's. Complain to wizards
on o-gaming we used to play swiss everytime
i totally agree with euge

by SilverMcHowl on 2009-01-25 09:44 EDT

Benobi, obviously bragging rights.

by Dr_Nico on 2009-01-25 11:11 EDT

m4n4k1n that's complete bullshit, same rules as o-gaming in single elimination.

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-25 11:41 EDT

Kytep: it was obviously luck in this trial. What are the chances of any t2 deck winning in ext? They might have 1 or 2 good match ups against decks that are built against a specific meta but they'll fail against anything else.

Trotsky1: Usually to win in m-l you don't actually need to be good. It's single elimination so some bad luck in 1 round is enough to take you out. So between facing bad players, bad decks and being luckier than his opps took him to 2nd place. But he can't be a good player. A good player that wanted to try a T2 archetype in Extended would start by improving the mana base and replacing some cards for similar ones that are usually better. He would play some games and than probably change a few cards to make the deck better in the metagame. He probably just has this deck in mws and always loads it whatever tournament is forming.

Brodie: Usually you don't see people saying an estabilished deck is good. Sometimes they question some odd choices but the usual complainment about estabilished decks is that people always netdeck. And you seem to know too much what's going on on m-l for someone who doesn't play here. And you're probably an anti-social jackass yourself.

And to finish: the deck is probably decent in T2. It just has some sub par cards like Elvish Piper. But it's just decent and certainly not tier1. But what pisses me off is the fact that it's just a t2 deck played in an extended tourney. And something that pisses me off even more is that the player itself and some other losers say it's skill that brought him there.

by Benny-Lava on 2009-01-25 12:13 EDT

OMG, Some people try to have fun when they are playing magic.

They even win sometimes.

This is so unbearable for you Tuga Champion ( Champion of what ? ), who try hard but fail all the time.

You're an embittered flamer, get a life and quit magic; people that can't stand to lose are annoying, but people like you, who can't stand other people's wins, are a pain for everyone.

Nobody needs you and your rancor in magic, find another hobby.

by Ashmatan on 2009-01-25 12:34 EDT

WOW. You guys hating on McHowl are LOSERS. Can't someone just congratulate the guy for 2nd with his deck? Yeah, it's a Type 2 deck that no one saw coming. It's called ROGUE and it kicked your asses. HA! that is what people get for just netdecking 1.x decks and running with it. Also, another rule of magic is that you can't prepare for everything you may face. I believe this is the case here. I mean no one expects all their lands to be gone possibly in one turn! When you are playing to prepare for that moment and your opponent is unsuspecting, Razer could be GG for them. Affinity just recovers so fast that it would be hard to deal with even if you could wipe their board which explains the Affinity victory. Anyway, GJ to top 4!

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-25 13:07 EDT

Benny roflmao. I have fun playing magic. However I play to win. Winning is fun. Losing can be fun but usually it isn't (specially in tournaments). I try hard and fail all the time? I haven't played here for ages! And I have 2 ptq top8s in the latest limited season. I doubt you can even correctly build a sealed pool. I have a life and I like playing magic so why would I quit? I can stand other people's wins. The mono red burn list has nothing you can call wrong. Surely I would play 4 Magma Jets and I think Maniac in the side is just wrong but it's still mono red burn and it can always win. That T2 pile? If he plays it at a PTQ he'll go 0-2 drop for even 0-7 or 0-8 if he doesn't know drop.

Ashmatan: if he played a rogue deck and handled the meta very well I would be the first to gongratulate him. However he just took his t2 deck which already has sub par cards like elvish piper and just played it without even bothering to improve the mana base. Oh and that armageddon comes a bit late against many decks and it still can be killed. Boom/Bust doesn't see play in extended even with the other half and the syenergy with flagstones and fetch lands.

by alsorhombus on 2009-01-25 13:10 EDT

Nice mchowl. Gratz.

Tuga, get your head out of your ass. Top 2 of an extended tournament with a t2 deck is pretty cool whether it was luck or skill. Jamie Parke got 2nd at worlds and youre telling me he didnt get lucky at all?

Even if he did fix up the deck for extended, you'd be flaming even more because then it would lose the novelty of being a type two deck in an extended tournament and would be just straight up mediocre.

I say that getting top 2 in an extended trial with a type 2 deck is more fun/funnier/better than winning an ext trial with a type two deck you changed around a bit to fit in extended.

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-25 13:23 EDT

And I think it's stupid to play a T2 deck in an Extended tournament specially when you have access to all the cards...

Jamie Parke didn't play a t2 deck in extended... And usually to do well in such a huge tournament with many good players like Worlds you have to get lucky.

by DaveK on 2009-01-25 13:32 EDT

Yeah tuga stfu as it has already been said.

by SchwipSchwap on 2009-01-25 14:15 EDT

Well done SilverMcHowl!
Can you please sign my Elvish Piper? ;o)

by ErieEd on 2009-01-25 14:32 EDT

trails are single elim...that explains the results if this were swiss i bet the t4 would be different.

by alsorhombus on 2009-01-25 14:58 EDT

Jamie Parke didn't play a t2 deck in extended... And usually to do well in such a huge tournament with many good players like Worlds you have to get lucky.

Yea exactly. Even if you play good cards you still have to get lucky. So he played for fun on magic-league and did well with something that "shouldnt". The fact that everyone has access to all the cards says even more about him doing well.

by Trotsky1 on 2009-01-25 17:12 EDT

If it was swiss the deck would still have gone 5-0 id'ed twice to get into the top 8 and then it is only one match away from being top 8 again. So there is no way the deck is not in the top 8 lists even if it is swiss. PV and Mrweggle if they lost both there last rounds would prob not top8, but the 1st and 2nd place deck are guranteed in the top 8 if the swiss is seven rounds, which im not sure if it is or not, if its less its even more likely the top 4 looks the same.

Or if the point your trying to make is that if there was entirely different pairing's the results would be different then your point is stupid.

by TugaChampion on 2009-01-25 17:13 EDT

DaveK: I never stfu specially when a loser tells me too.

alsorhombus: just one difference: with good decks you have to get lucky by not getting paired against bad match ups too often, if you do get paired against them you have to be lucky in the match to win, you have to get a bit lucky or outplay your opp in even match ups, etc. With a bad deck you have to be lucky just in the macthes because really there won't be good match ups for you. Oh and Worlds was 18 rounds plus top8. So me played 21 matches. A trial here has 6, 7 maybe 8 rounds. And don't even compare the skill level of a Premier Event with the skill level of m-l. And he fact that everyone has access to all the cards means it's free. Being free opens up the doors to everyone. Anyone who feels like it can play a crappy deck screwing up the meta. In mtgo since it costs money you'll see these horrible decks very rarely if ever because playing a bad deck will make you lose money.

by zchen on 2009-01-25 21:16 EDT

Well Ehri came into this trial with a faerie deck that probably could of top 3....

But I took care of him in round 1 and then I dropped after I won my rd 2 match. Thats how SilverMchowl got that bye in rd 3.

by Beto_cL on 2009-01-25 21:31 EDT

WTF

by toor on 2009-01-29 16:02 EDT

@shooter
it's wotc's rules for single elimination, not ml's. Complain to wizards

They still have 5 turns after the buzzer. Which is super relevant. Id say half the games I lose which go to time I could win in the 5 turns.