by Eldariel on 2008-07-05 10:42 MDT

Smallest Trial Evar. Also, Dumbvagers and their turn 1 Mindcensors screwing up fetches.

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by gypsy on 2008-07-05 11:25 MDT

its called bomberman and the 3rd is TK DeezNaught. that was the only time i cast mindcensor the whole tournament. fastest trial ever

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by trueeevil on 2008-07-05 11:34 MDT

Who names these? gypsy has the names right.

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by Eldariel on 2008-07-05 12:03 MDT

Fixed 'em up.

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by el_cuervito on 2008-07-05 12:17 MDT

vintage suck

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by gmoney on 2008-07-05 13:44 MDT

Vintage is a connoisseurs game.

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by slade_ on 2008-07-05 16:24 MDT

TK was the original designer of the deck and also of ur mum iirc

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by Lenin on 2008-07-05 16:53 MDT

lol I missed the trial.

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by Eldariel on 2008-07-05 17:45 MDT

Sorry for starting it on time.

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by curly on 2008-07-05 18:13 MDT

wow fastest trial evar! nice decks btw. whats bomberman supposta do but beats?

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by gypsy on 2008-07-05 18:25 MDT

combo off with salvagers and black lotus then draw ur deck with aether spellbomb, then play all your creatures and cast timewalk and kill them with 7 counters in hand

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by Trotsky1 on 2008-07-05 18:27 MDT

It recurs black lotus with salvagers, generates infinite mana, then draws infinite cards with aether spellbomb wins, old verions use to include pyrite spellbomb but people worked out its not necessary. If it plays the same as it does in legacy then its a control/combo deck with more empthasis on the control.

Gypsy beat me too it.

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by gypsy on 2008-07-05 22:51 MDT

its not that hard to win in t1 on ml, there are few good eternal players on this site. i played vs like oddysey block mono black control round 1 and my opp kept insulting me saying i was lucky when i beat him

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by curly on 2008-07-06 01:36 MDT

lol gypsy im used to that happening damn noobs in M-L

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by beule on 2008-07-06 13:54 MDT

ay another eternal trial :\
ill just netdeck place 1 deck for next one and gain me 2 byes.

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by ant900 on 2008-07-06 16:42 MDT

why would bomberman rather have aether than pyrite? wouldn't killing them now be better than killing them later? can you can still draw your deck and everything that aether does

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by modargo on 2008-07-06 17:35 MDT

Pyrite is less useful as an answer to threats, requires a significant weakening of the mana base, and improves the combo kill in only a tiny amount of situations. That's the summary - play the deck a bit against other good Vintage decks and you'll see the details.

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by Trotsky1 on 2008-07-06 17:41 MDT

Pyrite doesnt weaken mana base at all, as black lotus can produce whatever mana you like, but spellbomb can protect salvagers thats why, plus with spellbomb it only takes one trinket mage to get both lotus and spellbomb as you can bounce trinket mage with bomb and replay to get lotus.

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by beule on 2008-07-06 17:47 MDT

but using the aether earlier is easier than using pyrite before the combo.

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by Trotsky1 on 2008-07-06 18:02 MDT

Did you read beyond the first line of what I said, I wasn't making an argument for pyrite, I was just pointing out that mana base had nothing to do with reasoning.

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by modargo on 2008-07-06 18:22 MDT

Of course it has to do with the mana base. Using Aether Spellbomb without the combo is easy, since the deck is already playing blue as its primary color. Without adding Volcanics, using Pyrite Spellbomb without the combo requires either Black Lotus or Mox Ruby, which you can't rely on having. It's making the deck so that you can consistently use Pyrite without the combo that weakens the mana base. Of course, you could just switch Aether for Pyrite without making any mana base changes, but that makes Pyrite into a really bad 2-mana cantrip most of the time.

It's only part of the reason, but the mana base matters. The mana base issue means that not only does Aether do more without the combo, its also easier to get the mana to use without the combo, without having to weaken the mana base.

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by gypsy on 2008-07-06 18:32 MDT

you still win the same turn and aether is rly good vs oath and workshop decks and you dont have to run more non basics. bouncing oath creatures is really relivent, if aether would have been pyrite i would not have won. dealing 2 damage is worse than bouncing a creature as when you are comboing off neither really makes a difference.

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by Karla on 2008-07-06 21:41 MDT

what a waste of time play vintage trial's is better try a fun format than the stupi vintage

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by gypsy on 2008-07-07 00:21 MDT

vintage is really fun when you play vs competent players

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by Anusien on 2008-07-07 00:32 MDT

Aether Spellbomb bounces Colossus, which is a problem for the deck. Pyrite Spellbomb kills Welders, which the deck can already do. The only time Pyrite is better comboing off than Aether Spellbomb is on turn 5 of extra turns, or on turn 4 of extra turns when you've already used your Time Walk.

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by Trotsky1 on 2008-07-07 07:12 MDT

No one is going to ruin there mana base for one card, it has nothing to do with it. It makes such a minisucal difference that even if its not good by itself it not worth it. Only an idiot would een consider changing his mana base because he runs 1 pyrite spellbomb.

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by Holzi on 2008-07-07 07:42 MDT

Eldariel:

that was the smalles trial ever


http://www.magic-league.com/deck/37241/mono_r_goblins.html#Mono%20R%20Goblins56169

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by Eldariel on 2008-07-07 08:36 MDT

They're of the same size Holzi. Both had 24 players. I recall 22- in some 1700+ though so "smallest ever" may be a sligh exaggeration.

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by gypsy on 2008-07-07 13:30 MDT

this was one of the fastest trials ever it was only like just over 2 hours long or something

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by nightscare on 2008-09-01 17:42 MDT

suicide. it's for you if you played in this trial.

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