Standard (T2) Deck lists: Hybrid Stompy, Red Deck Wins, Ub Faeries

by therooster on 2008-04-26 14:05 MDT

Yes I know my deck has some subpar choices... but I made it in about a minute right before the trial started ;)

R1: Elves, 2-0
R2: Mono Red, 2-1
R3: Red Snow, 2-0
R4: Doran, 2-1
R5: Faeries, 2-1
R6: Mono Red, 2-1

by jakeywakey on 2008-04-26 14:09 MDT

hmmmmm..... and who were all the people saying faeries suck post shadowmoor???

by Lynolf on 2008-04-26 14:29 MDT

DAMN!!!

I had a very similar deck to the 1º one and lost on round 1.

DAMN!!!

Oh well at least I know it is a deck strong enough to win a trial. Maybe next time.

DAMN!!!

by Lantero on 2008-04-26 14:37 MDT

Nice job therooster, deck seems solid.
Deus of calamity, ¿Why not Oversoul of dusk?

Faeries, as some people said, is worst now. Shadowmoor don´t have anything to improve their lists, and only have more hate for other decks (Vexing Shuser, Raking canopy, firespout...)
It was the best deck. Now, it becomes a simple tier 1.

by Kev on 2008-04-26 14:37 MDT

why, plz, WHY!

How can the red deck play browbeat over the spell that can deal 4 dmg for RRR?

by flynnT on 2008-04-26 14:39 MDT

Cause it's Magic League, brother.

by therooster on 2008-04-26 14:40 MDT

I'm not entirely sure why I picked Deus over Oversoul, though I don't think I would play either as I revise the list. Probably take out Perfect and Deus for Doran and Chameleon :D

by Shatta on 2008-04-26 15:30 MDT

jakeywakey, I was the one saying Faeries sucks post Shadowmoor and they do. As Lantero listed the cards that completely hose Faeriesyou should know that Faeries aren't even close to as good as they were without SHM

by tfunk1940 on 2008-04-26 15:33 MDT

im pretty sure that what your saying is that there are 3 more potential side board cards to worry about. 1 of which wont see play.

by Maltabus on 2008-04-26 15:35 MDT

"jakeywakey, I was the one saying Faeries sucks post Shadowmoor and they do. As Lantero listed the cards that completely hose Faeriesyou should know that Faeries aren't even close to as good as they were without SHM"

This is remarkably similar to the kind of discussion post Xth ed in Extended. "Man! They reprinted Shatterstorm and Hurkyl's Recall! Ravager is irrelevant now!" Then Ravager proceeded to take 15% of the top8 slots over the American ptq season. The fact is that post-SHM, decks have the opportunity to board cards which crush faeries, but if they do so they will be without cards for other decks (boarding ancient grudge, for instance, over Krosan Grip. Doesn't help much against Ideal, does it?). At the same time, every card printed to "beat" faeries is subject to "counter target spell" with the exception of Vexing Shusher, who is subject to "take your guy" and "kill your guy." I'm not saying Faeries is as strong as it was pre-SHM, but its definitely not lost its power. Especially since the "hate" cards are all r/g.

by nicoblm on 2008-04-26 15:37 MDT

no horizon canopy? pb with your life points?

by BoneMonkey on 2008-04-26 15:56 MDT

greater garagon in a red deck wins ?

by Lantero on 2008-04-26 16:13 MDT

@Maltabus: The new potential SB cards vs Faeries is only an argument.
The really important change is other. With SHM, we have new decks and some improvements or changes for actual decks. Faeries is the same list, that's why i said it is not as good as before (this doesnt mean faeries is now a bad deck).

by therooster on 2008-04-26 16:16 MDT

I originally had Horizon Canopy in the deck, but swapped it for brushland when I realized it was nearly mono green anyway. After facing 2 burn decks in the trial Im pretty happy with the choice.

by center425 on 2008-04-26 17:12 MDT

The reason faeires got worse is b/c, the red decks got better, not b/c of any new hosers. The best hosers are still Cloudthresher and squall line.

by Lynolf on 2008-04-26 17:21 MDT

Actually if faeries doesn't counter Raking Canopy, it becomes really hard for the deck to win the game. You have two choices: or you can play Scion of Oona and Misbind Clique; or you have to play Cryptic Command on it, then counter. Either way, you lose too much time until that happens and, by then, your opponent has stabilized and is ready to smack your face.

by TugaChampion on 2008-04-26 17:23 MDT

Those hosers are more relevant for block than T2. But for block I also got a new side tech!

by SoggyToast on 2008-04-26 17:31 MDT

I think any deck that could reasonably support Magus of the Tabernacle would rape this format.

by BoneMonkey on 2008-04-26 17:56 MDT

im a noob what good is shield of the oversoul

by itsnotme on 2008-04-26 18:24 MDT

therooster how did u sb?

by therooster on 2008-04-26 18:28 MDT

Shield of the Oversoul works great on one of the decks numerous Green White creatures, turning into some sort of huge, flying, indestructible moose-droid.

As for sideboarding, I have no idea, because my sideboard was pretty bad :P

by Lantero on 2008-04-26 18:31 MDT

BoneMonkey: "im a noob what good is shield of the oversoul."

If that is resolved, u have an indestructible fattie with evasion. Only can deal it with bouncers or enchant-hate.

by SaTiVa on 2008-04-26 18:50 MDT

interesting choice of scarblade elite over gaddok or saffi

by therooster on 2008-04-26 18:58 MDT

Well he is easier to cast and didn't necessarily prove to be a bad option. This deck was completely mono green when I first started out though, I added the white lands for sb options, but maybe Ill take it back out :P

by BoneMonkey on 2008-04-26 19:41 MDT

therooster you said you didnt make the best card choices becuase you were in a rush

what would you have choosen if you werent ? i like your deck if there is anyway to improve it i wanna know

by thranarama on 2008-04-26 20:19 MDT

I don't understand how your deck beats faeries game 1 at all therooster. or does it just concede that matchup for the sake of other matchups? I also feel like shield is a really sub-par choice, but I suppose you won so I can't really knock your choices that bad.

by Pikanso_BRA on 2008-04-26 23:41 MDT

Good Job
therooster
nice your deck
=)

by gypsy on 2008-04-26 23:45 MDT

by thranarama on 2008-04-26 22:19 EDT

I don't understand how your deck beats faeries game 1 at all therooster. or does it just concede that matchup for the sake of other matchups? I also feel like shield is a really sub-par choice, but I suppose you won so I can't really knock your choices that bad.

not many decks beat faeries game 1, or at all

by Holzi on 2008-04-27 03:41 MDT

a turn 2 3/4 vigilance that doesnt die to inversion and further pressure wins against faeries in g1 if you are on the play...

btw Urborg sounds like a great choice in faeries, because you always want your double black mana....

by therooster on 2008-04-27 09:12 MDT

Here is what I am looking at right now as an upgrade:

http://rafb.net/p/bWNH3316.html

It replaces some of the funky choices with what I would consider more strong cards (particulary Doran, as he fits the decks theme of undercosted fatties that combo well with the hybrid elements).

by itsnotme on 2008-04-27 11:02 MDT

so u simply concede vs magus of the moon?:P

by therooster on 2008-04-27 11:07 MDT

I love how you win a trial and everyone just tries to say "So do you just concede to ___" :P

I did actually face magus in the trial too :P

But yes Magus could be a problem for that new mana base... it is a work in progress either way.

by BoneMonkey on 2008-04-27 12:12 MDT

what would be your side board therooster ?

by rdeg87 on 2008-04-27 12:17 MDT

Safehold Elite over Tarmogoyf? thats just gotta be wrong

by Avata on 2008-04-27 12:32 MDT

Safehold Elite gets double bonuses of being both green and white, and it's a 2/2 on turn two. Most of the time, Goyf is going to be a 0/1 on turn two, especially seeing as roosters deck has no instants or sorceries or anything to get cards into the graveyard.

Not trying to say goyf is a bad card, but I could definitely see playing Elite over goyf in this deck. (Note also that Elite is an elf, which is also relevant to the deck.)

by thranarama on 2008-04-27 13:20 MDT

I don't dispute the fact that you won a trial, and therefore the deck is at least good, but I still have a lot of qualms with the actual construction of both your trial-winning deck and the version that you showed containing Doran. It appears to lose to any tempo oriented decks because it is so reliant on it's creatures to get there, it has no other game plan. Cryptic Commands and other bounce spells like Unsummon or guys like Sower of Temptation are absolutely devastating to the deck. I feel like without any removal this deck will have serious issues in a metagame that contains Merfolk and Faeries.

It's the same problem I had with the versions of Affinity that ran either Atog or Fatal Frenzy over Shrapnel Blast. If you keep them off of their guys using bounce and cheap removal while pressing through with your guys, they have nothing they can do.

by therooster on 2008-04-27 13:21 MDT

I considered Goyf, but as Avata says it is kind of weak in this deck. Also I never saw an opposing goyf get bigger than 2/3 usually :P

The elite's proved very useful, especially against red.

As for sideboard, Id probably start with 3 Cloudthreshers, 4 Vexing Sushers, some Deathmarks and go from there :P

by BloodyAngel on 2008-04-28 14:28 MDT

Goyf weak??? GET THE @#!@$ OUTTA HERE!!!

by Araeliz on 2008-04-28 15:32 MDT

Funny how the 2 top 2 decks owned faeries to get into finals.

by SoggyToast on 2008-04-28 23:09 MDT

I agree with thranarama - all you can do is cross your fingers and turn the cardboard sideways.