Legacy (T1.5) Deck lists: UGw Threshold, UGb Survival Thresh, Ub Fish

by Eldariel on 2008-04-06 13:47 MDT

That Threshold-list shows me off; it doesn't play Countertop nor Stifle/Waste combo. Seems like it's somewhat outdated.

Glad to see Survival Thresh seeing some play; it's a solid concept that never really got out there. Spellstutter Sprite does throw me off.

As far as that Ub Fish goes, I wonder why he didn't just go mono-blue and really capitalize on Back to Basics.

by MaksymG on 2008-04-06 14:01 MDT

funny how a deck with 4 leylines main finishes 3rd while two thresh decks finish 1st and 2nd

by sandoiche on 2008-04-06 14:04 MDT

I think bob talks by itself - its worth the splash.

also, i dont think my list is outdated - even cblance MD couldve been nice in some matchups, i dont think its a must in the MD.

the wastelands had to leave deck to give more slots to fetches and basic lands; since from a couple weeks to now ppl started playing btb and stuff, i felt 2 basics lands would be needed, and they really were. and, playing 3 colors, i usually gets mana screwed, and cutting wastelands really helped me not getting screwed.

having more fetch lands were nice too for senseis top.

and MD needle is very great - i think i will MD a 3rd one, and play the 4th in SB.

also i hate legacy, u ppl shouldve make more std, ext, block, limited or even vintage trials :S

by Lynolf on 2008-04-06 14:06 MDT

You hate legacy and still can win trials. O_O

Doesn't Tarmogoyf gets tired to appear in so many Top8?

by natethetank on 2008-04-06 14:13 MDT

my deck needed engineered explosives, counterspell sucked monkeyballs, engineered plague is too narrow and i wish they printed a black disenchant. if sandoiche didnt have basics he would not have beaten me.

by Eldariel on 2008-04-06 15:04 MDT

Well, duh nate, which Thresh-deck DOESN'T have basics?

sandoiche: Generally you should play either the Waste-package or the Counterbalance-package; they give you entirely different gameplans, but both tend to be more potent than classic (with different match-ups across the archetypes, of course).

by natethetank on 2008-04-06 15:08 MDT

he said he cut wastelands for basics and more fetches. had he not he would not have basics to play through back to basics.

by natethetank on 2008-04-06 15:11 MDT

also his ability to find basics would be lessened because he would have less fetches.

by sandoiche on 2008-04-06 15:13 MDT

yes, having 2 basics made total difference, also the 2 extra fetches. this original decklist had the wasteland, u can check it older version in some other trial, which was a 100% netdeck from a legacy article in Ligamagic.com...

after a couple play tests i realized the basics were needed, and wastelands werent too good because sometimes u get screwed (instead of screwing opponents or destroying mishras).

by Eldariel on 2008-04-06 16:07 MDT

Yea, UGw with Wastes is rather weak, UGr Tempo Thresh is much better, especially against control. And generally people who don't play basics simply misbuild their decks.

by natethetank on 2008-04-06 16:57 MDT

he won a trial eldariel, maybe there is something to his deck. maybe just maybe his deck is just as good as ugr thresh. oh and btw there is no way i would have gotten past round one without maindeck leylines and dark confidants so black is needed and i have enough basics of both that back to basics will never affect me.

by Eldariel on 2008-04-06 17:09 MDT

The deck has been tested in that incarnation; it's good, nobody is denying that, what I'm saying is that it's suboptimal for Threshold. There's been a lot more testing put to this than just ML Trials.

by sandoiche on 2008-04-06 17:28 MDT

the ugw list can do pretty well against controls decks too, i beat barely only control decks today... and the R list has advantage against goblins mainly, while the w list is better against anything playing tarmogoyf, and also can kill psichatog, genesis, ichorid, mystic enforcer, tombstalker, etc, which red burn removal cant... so its a question of preferences

by Lenin on 2008-04-06 17:30 MDT

nate, you are the worse kind of player and you know it.
To those who dont know: nate lost in round 2!

by natethetank on 2008-04-06 17:45 MDT

lenin time was called on my turn and your life total was lower. you are the one who lied to judges about when time was called about what i did and what i said. you would have won that game if given a little more time but you didnt, im not a bad player because i wouldnt concede to a liar.

by Eldariel on 2008-04-06 18:00 MDT

Sandoiche: There's a lot more to the difference than that. UGr Thrash is a tempo threshold build that often kills with burn while stealing turns.

UGr Moon Thresh is, as the name suggests, Blood Moon-abusing Thresh variant.

UG Thresh is the mirror killer.

UGw is commonly a control threshold build that tries to grind out the card advantage game, often with Counterbalance.

All of them have totally different gameplans and correct gameplay. It's not only about the difference in the Goblins-MU. Thrash actually has a BETTER match against control-decks simply because it has a faster kill; Tarmogoyfs don't matter if they don't resolve, and often the burn works just fine as inevitably the goyfs face in combat and burn finishes them off after that just fine. Of course, it doesn't work as well without the mana denial side theme.

by Lenin on 2008-04-06 19:37 MDT

I wans't lying to the judge I told I'm sure you were stalling. Why? well maybe because you were lurking in the channel, buissy typing !time while having 1 card in hand and no real options. Its obvious you got a special treatment.

but thats past and I hadn't had time to play the full trial anyway, just wanted to point it out.

by natethetank on 2008-04-06 21:24 MDT

you told the judge that time hadnt been called and i said end my turn. you also told the judge that you had attacked with your goyfs for the win and that i would be dead when active players finished the turn. you knew full well it was my turn when time was called. sounds like lieing to me. getting the correct ruling because the LOGS proved what i said was true is not special treatment.

by gypsy on 2008-04-07 00:16 MDT

callin people on slow play/stalling doesnt ever do anything when u tell a judge after a match is over so dont complain that he was stalling and you didnt call it right away. if time was called during his turn and you lied to a judge then you should be dqued from a tournament

by georgjorge on 2008-04-07 04:33 MDT

That 3rd place deck puzzles me...4 Leyline maindeck ? Threads over Shackles ?

I'm also not sure how good Psychatog is in there, given that there are not SO many cantrips and no Intuition/Dredge in there...

by aldaryn on 2008-04-07 07:58 MDT

by Eldariel on 2008-04-06 15:04 MDT

Well, duh nate, which Thresh-deck DOESN'T have basics?

i have seen ugr thrash with wastelands often without basics...how are you gonna fit 8 duals, 6-8 fetchlands, 2-3 basics, and 4 wastelands in 17-18 land slots?

by ZeKo on 2008-04-07 12:10 MDT

you must fit a blue basic to cast your cantrips and a green one to cast your Krosan grip...

by Eldariel on 2008-04-07 13:04 MDT

aldaryn: Alright, I'll give Thrash to you, but that's because it's confident it can keep opponents off B2B/Blood Moon-mana.

by natethetank on 2008-04-07 14:30 MDT

by georgjorge on 2008-04-07 06:33 EDT

That 3rd place deck puzzles me...4 Leyline maindeck ? Threads over Shackles ?

I'm also not sure how good Psychatog is in there, given that there are not SO many cantrips and no Intuition/Dredge in there...

georgjorge i played leyline md because there so good in the meta. you may be willing to scoop game one to the graveyard based decks but im not and those leylines defnitly got me there in several matches that without i would lose. threads is a pain free quick answer. shackles is slow plus i would have a hard time taking a 5/6 goyf with a couple islands or taking that dark confidant they casted turn 2. threads is better vs zoo and vs tarmogoyf and better when you need an anser that moment. gotta concede the togs to you because they sucked for me all day and i need to find a better win condition.

by aldaryn on 2008-04-07 14:37 MDT

nate: tombstalker, maybe?

by natethetank on 2008-04-07 14:41 MDT

thats interesting. i will test it but right now im thinking about playing a more fish like deck wiht spellstutter sprites and cliques. im even considering bitterblossum.