by Morpheus2222 on 2007-11-02 07:00 EDT

didnt see that one coming :-/

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by Ro on 2007-11-02 07:05 EDT

lol 3 of my 'friends' t3 ^^

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by FlyingFreak on 2007-11-02 07:21 EDT

lol I'm Ro's friend :p, what an honor .

y is Elvish_Ruler only t3 ? He played the finals not me ....

I won all my matches with 2-0 and then I dropped because it was bedtime :p

Mr. Ravager ftw !

btw: For the ones who wonder, I play Duress over Thoughtseize because I only board it in against Tron and Combo matchups, and those matchups doesn't play creature's I want to remove ... (I know Exalted Angel is a bitch but I have alot of alternative ways to destroy it and my oppo have 80 % of the times something better)


greets jonathan

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by Burton911 on 2007-11-02 07:59 EDT

Is there any serious Reaseon why people play Arena over Honden?

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by Eldariel on 2007-11-02 08:03 EDT

Hardcastability, I suppose.

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by Shagrath on 2007-11-02 08:20 EDT

That's ridiculous... if he plays with just 1 arena , its logic that he only wants arena to fetch with ideal, and at that point, honden is far better.

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by FlyingFreak on 2007-11-02 08:37 EDT

well ur screwed if u draw the honden ....

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by MiguelG on 2007-11-02 08:57 EDT

well arena its better because you can hardcast it, actually I played it vs a guy in semifinals...

form+arena... so it doesnt matter
I playtested it a lot,since I played Ideal also in Pt Valencia...

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by Ro on 2007-11-02 08:57 EDT

Honden is also legendary.

Rotstejn you're not my friend, you're my 'friend'. xD

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by FlyingFreak on 2007-11-02 09:00 EDT

^^

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by MiguelG on 2007-11-02 09:04 EDT

:p arena > honden

ask dutch pros if you wish ^^

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by TriAdX on 2007-11-02 09:33 EDT

::That's ridiculous... if he plays with just 1 arena , its logic that he only wants arena to fetch with ideal, and at that point, honden is far better.::


Why would you need card draw post Ideal?

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by FlyingFreak on 2007-11-02 09:36 EDT

to draw the ideal ? :p

Well I agree with MiguelG, if u have form + arena, then what does the 1 life loss matters ?

Arena > Honden > Pikachu !

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by TriAdX on 2007-11-02 09:37 EDT

key word... POST ideal... and what are the chances of drawing your 1 arena before you draw 1 of your 4 wishes or 3 other ideals?

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by FlyingFreak on 2007-11-02 09:39 EDT

12,5 %, that's alot ...

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by TriAdX on 2007-11-02 09:39 EDT

haha... ok.

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by TriAdX on 2007-11-02 09:47 EDT

1:52 vs 7:52

1.923% vs 13.461%

on your turn 2 draw (assuming you went second and drew first)


~1.6% vs ~11.6% chance of having them in your opening hand

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by Fallen-Angel on 2007-11-02 10:05 EDT

arena is there for confinement...

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by TriAdX on 2007-11-02 10:06 EDT

ok thank you.. i didnt realize that... Appreciated.

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by bobo_es_god on 2007-11-02 10:10 EDT

I vote honden

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by dv8r on 2007-11-02 10:20 EDT

one note on arena, it's a LOT better to play honden for the simple reason that if you get extracted for form (or draw them all, or discard them, or your opponent can answer it with something like true believer/lightning greaves or venser), honden is actually a kill condition through decking (skip x draw steps finding nothing with ideal, and discarding to confinement, then search honden and lock opponent out), phyrexian arena CAN be a kill condition, but you have to hope to topdeck into a mikokoro in your first y cards (where y is your life total). Pre ideal, you can cast honden off ancient springs, pentad prism or lotus (I admit you don't particularly WANT to cast it off lotus). Furthermore, because honden is 4U as opposed to 1BB it's actually EASIER for the deck to hardcast honden.

MiguelG: I've played ideal more than any other single person in the world, including in depth testing for PT Valencia (I will concede that I failed to q). Go tell your "dutch pros" that they are wrong.

As for all those ppl that talk about the chance of drawing arena/honden before ideal, the point is that it CAN happen, and you play 20+ games over the course of a tournament.

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by rafaruggi on 2007-11-02 10:33 EDT

I don't like the Flow list.

Props to MiguelG, and to Rotstejn who beat my flow in round 4 =/.

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by chanson on 2007-11-02 10:35 EDT

rotstejn ftw!!

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by aldaryn on 2007-11-02 10:59 EDT

where's that bgw "aggro rock" deck that was in a few trials a few weeks back? it seemed good, and gaddock teeg seems awfully good vs. ideal!

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by on 2007-11-02 11:00 EDT

i

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by Spyx on 2007-11-02 11:35 EDT

How did flow rock lose to ideal? 7 duress + destructive flow + only 1 basic in ideal = you win?
Poor play or bad luck?

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by dv8r on 2007-11-02 11:42 EDT

Lennin: stfu, I designed the deck, obviously I've played with it more than anyone else. Secondly, you run fewer onslaught sac lands than anyone else, and NO card drawing, AND on top of that you skip 4-5 draw steps with confinement, of course your library will be larger. Play the deck before making idiotic comments.

Spyx: Ideal topdecks well

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by sui_slush on 2007-11-02 13:29 EDT

Why would I ask a Dutch pro anything about constructed?

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by antonio23 on 2007-11-20 06:26 EDT

grande affinity e pena o 3º lugar mas ja e muito bom lolz .

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by _That_ on 2007-12-04 13:42 EDT

by FlyingFreak on 2007-11-02 07:36 MST

to draw the ideal ? :p

Well I agree with MiguelG, if u have form + arena, then what does the 1 life loss matters ?

Arena > Honden > Pikachu !






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