by Headbanger on 2007-08-09 21:47 MDT

mami dame erculito!!!

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by Headbanger on 2007-08-09 21:48 MDT

and 1st :P

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by Bozo on 2007-08-09 21:48 MDT

Two WW in Top 4? :| Maybe people should start running hate in the sideboard again? Or maybe that MUC deck would have won if he was running deserts...

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by Frylock on 2007-08-09 21:55 MDT

Desert > Zoetic Cavern in Pickles. A little surprised at 2 WW in top 4.

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by Johnno3k on 2007-08-09 23:40 MDT

Eh i think he thinks desert is way to overrated

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by soulfly_11 on 2007-08-09 23:58 MDT

2nd Deck is U/Goyf and not Shifter

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by Wichtelman on 2007-08-10 00:46 MDT

as i lost the mirror r4 vs chico i knew he would win
ww is back! :[

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by mikeyk159 on 2007-08-10 01:41 MDT

uhhh, when i say ug shifter beat muc i was like, huh??? then i noticed its tarmagoyf and the muc deck is not running deserts

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by Ehri on 2007-08-10 04:23 MDT

Deserts are definetly not better than Caverns.
The caverns just win you the game against control and i was unlucky that there are so much ww in top 8.

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by Chico_Ze on 2007-08-10 06:10 MDT

mikey i played vs the muc and the goyf won to the other WW.

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by on 2007-08-10 08:30 MDT

ug shifter beats muc wat r u ppl talking about, mayb ur shifter lists just suck

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by Kytep on 2007-08-10 08:42 MDT

by Ehri on 2007-08-10 05:23 CDT

Deserts are definetly not better than Caverns.
The caverns just win you the game against control

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Forgive me for missing this, but how do Caverns help against control? If they're played as creatures, they're 3-cc Grizzly Bears that can still be countered, and even if they make it into play, they just sit there waiting to be Tendriled/Damned/Blasted/etc.

Kytep

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by MaksymG on 2007-08-10 08:51 MDT

people need to start running damnations again... drop in teachings based decks means increase in WW deck, simple as that.

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by Ehri on 2007-08-10 09:33 MDT

@ Kytep
Forgive me for missing this, but how do Caverns help against control? If they're played as creatures, they're 3-cc Grizzly Bears that can still be countered, and even if they make it into play, they just sit there waiting to be Tendriled/Damned/Blasted/etc.

OMG what about flipping caverns in reponce to tendrils or sudden death etc ( they trade 1-0 then)???? They just are there waiting until the opp tries to destroy them by his REMOVAL which isnt available then for my other creatures obv. And if the opponent counters them thats just what i want i trade a land with one of his good removal/counter spells.

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by Frylock on 2007-08-10 10:32 MDT

yea, but the problem is Pickles is already a positive match-up vs. control. And your bad matchup is aggro/aggro-control. Might as well use the land that is good vs. your bad matchup not your good one.

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by Ehri on 2007-08-10 10:55 MDT

Mono u has good mu against mono r for example only bad one vs gw and ww. But all creatures are 2+/2+ in those decks. Desert would only help against soltari priest and tarmogoyf(with shapeshifter)

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by BigShow on 2007-08-10 12:26 MDT

by Ehri on 2007-08-10 06:23 EDT

Deserts are definetly not better than Caverns.
The caverns just win you the game against control and i was unlucky that there are so much ww in top 8.

you got sooo fucking lucky against me drawing every out you needed and everytime u drew canverns you played it as a land when u were drawing dead. use it as a blocker?

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by DESTRUCTOR on 2007-08-10 12:31 MDT

2 WW on top-4!! :O ...that's a surprise...desert and caverns depend on the meta both cards are fine...

gratz to the top-4

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by MH on 2007-08-10 13:25 MDT

I hope too see many of these decks at the PTQ's, I like to play vs MUC any day.

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by Revik on 2007-08-10 13:31 MDT

WW is a boring and bad deck that requires no skill to play.

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by Shooter on 2007-08-10 16:03 MDT

by Ehri on 2007-08-10 09:55 PDT

Mono u has good mu against mono r

reading this makes me a worse mtg player

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by Eldariel on 2007-08-10 17:16 MDT

The point with Caverns is, you can bait with them and play your real Morphs later on, effectively making your opponent use removal on non-Vesuvan Shapeshifter/Brine Elementals, which makes locking them out much easier.

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by PV on 2007-08-10 20:47 MDT

MUC has a dreadful matchup against mono red, ehri...

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by Mama_Afrika on 2007-08-11 13:56 MDT

O RLY???

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by Mama_Afrika on 2007-08-11 14:08 MDT

43th!!!!!!!!!! omg

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by TugaChampion on 2007-08-13 14:18 MDT

My guess is that revik lost to ww lol. WW is good. It`s bad in a meta full of ub since ub lost popularity ww is a very good deck. Btw those are some wierd ww lists. No mesas not even on the side, mangara, mana tithe, 25 lands...
Now about the ug shifter: it`s ug goyf and it has a good match up agaisnt muc

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