December 2006 T2 Deck lists: Mono Black Discard, UG Scryb&Force, UG Scryb&Force Curio

by Gerrardfo on 2006-12-12 15:51 MDT

Meta Breakdown:
Mono Black Discard: 3
UG Scryb&Force: 2
UG SCryb&Force Curio: 1
UBR A/C: 1
MGA: 4
UR Dragonstorm: 7
Boros Deck Wins: 9
WUR BlinkRiders: 2
GWB Glare-Chord: 1
BW Control: 3
WUB Flare: 2
Wu Martyrtron: 6
BW Aggro: 3
UW Azoritron: 1
UR Izzetron: 1
BW Discard: 2
UW Control: 2
RWG Zoo: 1
URg Sizzetron: 1
UB Dimir Control: 1
UR Gargadon: 1
RWB Control: 1
RG Babykiller: 1
RG Gruul Beats: 1
UB Mill: 1

by Ironicus on 2006-12-12 16:00 MDT

First!
and I hate those decks!
UR Dragonstorm: 7
Boros Deck Wins: 9 And no one in the top 3, finaly quality > quantity

by dv8r on 2006-12-12 16:00 MDT

sorry, but did noone play good decks in this trial?

by Malachamavet on 2006-12-12 16:12 MDT

Obviously, all the good decks knocked eachother out, leaving mono black discard room to sneak in ftw.

by dovss on 2006-12-12 16:13 MDT

woot =)

by dovss on 2006-12-12 16:15 MDT

I actually played BDW, MGA, Scryb, and 2 control decks. Test the deck before you hate on it.

by slyfer on 2006-12-12 16:23 MDT

LOL the winners are only lucky cos they are a bunch of bullshit cards (UG force and monoBlack) that doesnt' have real answers to the most broken cards of standard format

by TypeONegativ on 2006-12-12 16:26 MDT

Dunno if my deck was brought under BW aggro or BW discard, but it is neither. It is called Funky Deck Wins. Plz fix.

by Erebus- on 2006-12-12 16:28 MDT

Why does MBD play the Rack sb? And if its the more aggro approach, why not use Liege of the Pit?

by TheFatOne on 2006-12-12 16:28 MDT

This mono black deck doesnt look half bad honestly, and there is nothing wrong with UG...

by dovss on 2006-12-12 16:31 MDT

no leige of the pit because of confidant, and the deck doesn't need racks main deck, it uses badmoon instead with nethertraitor beats. There is also a synergy with husk and traitor to swing for large ammounts (b: +2/+2).

Like I said, try it. It is the result of a lot of testing but I would love to see how the community can improve on it!

by sonicqaz on 2006-12-12 16:39 MDT

First of all, had I been able to enter the tournament I would have also chose discard (BW variety) to play in this tournament after seeing the meta from last tournament. Did you see all of the control decks (even though the UWR variety seemed to drop off the planet)? D-Storm and Martyrtron can't handle discard, and they both take care of Boros for you so if you are playing with a discard based deck and you don't play against Boros you will do fine. Boros isn't even an Auto-Loss either, especially after you board out your own Dark Cons.

Finally, if you are playing a mono-black deck, the most underated card right now is Tendrils of Corruption. 4 mana for creature kill is a tad high, but it brings with it instant speed and the potential for large amounts of life gain. This should be boarded, at the least. My Mono-Black Block Deck is really good right now, and the MVP is Tendrils. Offsets the lifeloss of Plague Sliver and helps you win races that your opponent doesn't see.

by MotC on 2006-12-12 16:44 MDT

MGA is actually really strong my friend on mtgo got his rating up to 1760 with it in 8 mans. then he lost alot of it playing BDW x_x

by eternal42 on 2006-12-12 17:11 MDT

Don't hate on the 1st place deck unless you have tested it. It happens to rock. It's almost an auto-win vs control and combo and has a decent game against aggro as well.

by DESTRUCTOR on 2006-12-12 17:17 MDT

well it doesn't look like a bad deck, but we must give it at least a try before flame it...

by TugaChampion on 2006-12-12 17:19 MDT

lol Ironicus BDW is a good deck. I was playing it but got dragonstorm in the first round and my opp got lucky as usual when someone is playing DS and wins.

by kevinconvery on 2006-12-12 17:21 MDT

for dovss and his very original MBD deck, a question:

If you've got such a low curve, why are you not even going down to 16 swamps and say four terramorphic expanse or something? Might be worth looking into but you have a very solid deck already :D

by slyfer on 2006-12-12 17:44 MDT

ignorant bliss from dragonstorm OWNS your discard man, your monoblack is auto loss from everything out there

by iKe on 2006-12-12 17:48 MDT

Props To dovss for winning with a rogue deck. I was playing Boros Deck Wins and lost to mono green scrybe and force third round

by dv8r on 2006-12-12 17:49 MDT

dovss, I'm not a random flamer, when I see good rogue decks I congratulate the winners (ask Type0Negative for example). I am extremely insulted with what I consider to be a frankly stupid comment. (Although to be fair mine wasn't much better). Your deck is horrible, there is no way you should have wonm except through really good luck. Have I tested the deck? Yes, except that we ran 21 swamps, 4 cry and 3 cruel edict over smallpox. I don't believe one card can swing 30/70 matchups in your favour. Incidentally, the lack of garza's assassin or tendrils side when boros is the most played deck in the format is criminal.

EDIT: eternal: what aggro have you been playing against? as for good matchups against control solar flare/pox/angel variants are bad m/u's. So remind me, what good control is a solid matchup, and don't for one second claim ug is control. I think YOU are the one that needs to go out and test the deck tbh...

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-12 18:25 MDT

I am considered a random, by and large, but Dovss is an irl friend and he has tested that deck alot, I will contest to that. Some matchups do require luck to win but that is how PT's, Champs and GP's are won and time will tell wether it will be a solid contender.

Biggups Dov

Edit:
wtf, scryb and force is a pretty good deck. Last time I checked, it won a number of trials and so forth in the past month or so. All of a sudden it's jank?

by coolcreep on 2006-12-12 19:16 MDT

you will contest to that? wtf? great new thing out called proper diction, might wanna try it sometime.

anyways, monoblackaggr/discard just isnt good enuf to compete with BDW. here is the thing: people are gonna netdeck this deck, play it alot next tournament. Anticipating this, control players are gonna pop 2-4 COP: blacks into their SB. This card is more or less autoloss for mono black, because it has *NO* enchantment removal. *AT ALL*. the rack isnt that scary when your packing disenchants, btw.

by mkbush on 2006-12-12 19:46 MDT

these top 3 decks are so cheesy....you guys really have no skills or brains, do you know why? because Columbus said so.

If his mom didn't didn't ground him in the basement he would have pwned you all, consider yourself lucky and thank Columbus's mom.

by Wiley on 2006-12-12 19:54 MDT

I can safely say that if I had played against the top deck with my firemane deck I would have smashed it to bits

same goes for the other top three decks actually.

Stop playing crappy decks; eventually your luck will run out, and I'm not trying to be an ass about it

by Spyx on 2006-12-12 19:57 MDT

i've been playing monoblack aggro for a long time now and TENDRILS OF CORRUPTION is the best card in the whole deck (ok after confidant but yeah). if you get 1 or 2 against aggro then you win. it's that simple.
so I suggest you take those deathmarks and burn em or something to put some tendrils in.

by magiclover on 2006-12-12 20:04 MDT

well lost to dovvs, during quater finals..

I must say on top of a good deck, he is a good player :)

Just a few question.
1) Tormod's Crypt >> why this and not witch?

2) whats your answer to artifact/enchantments?

by aldaryn on 2006-12-12 21:01 MDT

I just wanna give props to the guy who threw cloudstone curio into scryb & force... i knew it had a use!!

by dovss on 2006-12-12 22:11 MDT

Your comment on wretches was right on actually. After the tourney I replaced the crypts with wretches and changed the SB a bit.

FYI to all the people who are mad that a seemingly one dimensional deck won, be assured that I had *no* easy matchups. Ask any of my opponents in the trial, it was constant.

Frankly now that I took my little baby to the top I am going to run a different deck. Similar to the way owling mine worked as a great meta choice, this deck has its place.

Anyways, it was a fun trial and I look forward to bringing another fresh idea to the masters for you all.

by yavin1 on 2006-12-12 22:25 MDT

u run WAYYY to many lands to curve and curve out at like 3. you shoudl run thte totem//plague sliver as a fat back up

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-12 23:28 MDT

Mono black discard has a pretty good option for 'circles...a tiny splash of white for mortify and/or disenchant. I hope that comment wasn't to me, Coolcreep.

Proper diction(?): "wtf? great new thing called proper diction, might WANNA try it some time."

You meant: "wtf"? There's a great thing called proper diction, you might want to try it some time.

I seem to have missed you saying that to the countless other people which use that abbreviation too.

That's a good call, mister no Capitals, proper punctuation and use of "wanna".

Go fuck yourself.

by Shivan1 on 2006-12-13 00:06 MDT

what black deck doesn't run persecute? wtf.

by Kandoll on 2006-12-13 00:28 MDT

by ChuckNorris on 2006-12-13 01:38 MDT

Curio is teh pwncakez

by Roar on 2006-12-13 02:33 MDT

the monoblack deck is very good, but dvoss, to be honest you lucked me out :( you always drew exactly what you needed
w/e, that's mtg

by Holzi on 2006-12-13 02:43 MDT

The deck is very good and he had double traitor and triple bad moon...
And i tapped out once for a Spectral Force to make pressure....
Sure: he had the deathmark...
But he didnt play bad...
it was funny...
Boros had 2 Worships in play.. i have no mb Solutions, but he takes Manaburn....
i was so lucky.....

by Blah234 on 2006-12-13 05:08 MDT

Is it safe to say less and less people are using Solar Flare and Persecute? If so, I can go back to playing Green Gauntlet!

by KeySam on 2006-12-13 05:19 MDT

I want to say something to all rogue decks placing t3 big probs, no matter if you lucked through or not, even with luck you need the skill to win this. And in T2 its hard to build a rogue deck in my oppinion. So plz give the cr8or some awards for making a deck placing good in a trial. And all the people said he lucked them away, maybe he just played the right way ;) and some luck is always needed to win.

grtz to top 3

by AppleRapple on 2006-12-13 05:46 MDT

looooooool...ba decks...but it's ML and anything can win a trial
XD

by Ninja87 on 2006-12-13 05:48 MDT

... this always happen doesn't it.. some random decks gets top 3 and all the other players start flaming...
face the fact.. they won.... whether or not it's because of luck or whatever...

by KeySam on 2006-12-13 06:48 MDT

For all laughing about the deck, be glad he didnt used one "good" deck so you had at least a chance of winning ;)

by Rotstejn on 2006-12-13 07:35 MDT

GoGo Team woodlandmages.be ! (Than)

btw: earn that master invite on rating !!

by ringman on 2006-12-13 08:12 MDT

i think dvoss thinks he his a great player for winning a trial guess what ur not!! period
and congratz to top 3

by Fools on 2006-12-13 10:27 MDT

a win is a win... you guys are d umb

by Anubis_End on 2006-12-13 11:11 MDT

In all honesty, Wiley and I would have been in the top 3 had we not both been mana fucked....similar decks, running perfect mana curves, and they both get fucked or flooded.

A lesser man would quit magic, but instead, I'm gonna ignore my problems and flame the top 3 for a bit...

Mono Black Discard......you're fucking stupid. White, WHITE! There is no reason to not play more than one color in this format, especially seeing how your entire deck could get fucked up by a well placed persecute and wrath of god. The cards you used are not efficient enough and even though you may have playtested the hell out of it, and even if it did win a trial, that doesn't stop it from being nothing but pure shit.

On a lighter note, both of the scryb force decks suck balls. Your kill condition is a big, fucking target man. I can seek it, I can castigate it, I can stick up your ass and make you chew on it. All kinds of fun shit I can do to a nice thought for a deck. It might have an edge against White Weenie, BDW, and Grull, but it can't hope to get past anything that has a card that says: "Blow up target creature."

Once again, we have more BDW and Dragonstorm than anything else. This saddens me. I lose first round to BDW being played by Custode. Not saying anything bad about Custode, dude is a class act, but he got lucky. It was a bad matchup for him, he played his side well, I played my side well, he got the luck and I didn't. Had I met a Dragonstorm, well, let's just say Martyrs, and Seeks, and Wraths, OH MY! Yeah, that is what happens to Dragonstorm. That which I don't gain or send one-way to hell, I just grab out of his deck. Behold WB in all it's glory!

One a real note, I wanna thank Ayame-Chan for running this trial on NO SLEEP whatsoever. She had been awake for about 23 hours when she started it, so we all deserve to thank her and buy her lots of presents and offer our bodies to her and what not.

by TugaChampion on 2006-12-13 12:08 MDT

lol Anubis. You're talking trash about DS (which is fine because it's the second most annoying deck in this T2) and BDW and you are playing a Martyr deck which is the most annoying and boring deck in this T2 (and probably one of the most boring/annoying decks ever).

by WasD on 2006-12-13 12:50 MDT

anubis is NUB :/

by Sandler on 2006-12-13 12:57 MDT

by Anubis_End on 2006-12-13 13:11 EST

In all honesty, Wiley and I would have been in the top 3 had we not both been mana fucked....similar decks, running perfect mana curves, and they both get fucked or flooded.

Are you 100% sure?

by dovss on 2006-12-13 13:05 MDT

I am sorry I suck so bad at magic.

by Fools on 2006-12-13 13:32 MDT

d umb

by SarcasticRat on 2006-12-13 14:18 MDT

Anubis_End, shut your fucking face. You didn't make the top 3 because you're a terrible player with a rating that makes me look like PV. Now go back to playing 5 color Slivers Coalition Victory.dec and let the people who actually made the top three and are actually good players enjoy the fact that they're much much better than you. And this goes for all of you random flamers and trolls who have various blunt objects inserted in your asshole. Knock the shit off, and if you want to talk shit at the decks, try doing well in the tournament yourself.

by Fools on 2006-12-13 14:56 MDT

you are just as d umb

by Clash on 2006-12-13 14:59 MDT

THE WORST TOP 3 DECKS IN A TRIAL

by Clash on 2006-12-13 14:59 MDT

THE WORST TOP 3 DECKS IN A TRIAL

by Clash on 2006-12-13 14:59 MDT

THE WORST TOP 3 DECKS IN A TRIAL

by Bozo on 2006-12-13 15:45 MDT

dovss > all of you

by ptealixpaint on 2006-12-13 16:58 MDT

I love how theres a million people playing the same net decks and all losing, then someone wins with a rogue deck and they must suck because their deck sucks or they got lucky or its only a trial or some other lame bullshit. If their decks are so bad and the others are so much better, they must be much better at playing than you are, huh?

I think the places and meta speak for themselves. You're all idiots.

Congrats to everyone who played and won, or lost with integrity.

by SarcasticRat on 2006-12-13 18:06 MDT

"by Fools on 2006-12-13 15:56 CST

you are just as d umb"

Dumb isn't censored you fucking moron. Go kill yourself.

by PV on 2006-12-13 18:57 MDT

Look

it's An00bs

;)

by Quiet0Boi on 2006-12-13 19:45 MDT

uh oh
flame war

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-13 20:37 MDT

EPNIS!

by Dralu on 2006-12-13 20:52 MDT

Winning with an inferior deck speaks volumes about playing and deckbuilding ability.

Clearly, some people need to be taught that Dovss is simply a superior player who can harness rogue decks and beat people who lack half the knowledge necessary to tap the potential of a netdeck.

by magiclover on 2006-12-13 21:22 MDT

just put it this way, a deck is like a pet.. you got to understand it.. you can net deck anywhere, but is someone's else deck you won't know its weakness and power unless play with it for a long time...

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-13 21:54 MDT

Good call. Seriously, Dov's deck isn't overly difficult to play, you just need to not be a fucking retard. Anyone with some skill at magic can save a deck and play it though.

by Shivan1 on 2006-12-14 00:17 MDT

Sure the designer/piloter may be very skilled, however the reason this deck did so well is that NOBODY for many many weeks of T2 play have seen a deck play cheap discard. Persecute *maybe*, stupor rarely, but my god not this much cheap hand rape. Everyone was used to playing their deck in a fucking sphere without any discard messing with it. Well guess what happens when someone plays cheap discard with fast efficient creatures and a combo win condition? Hmmm...

Oh and the deck could be 10x better with tendrils of corruption, probably 2-3 main, it is amazing.

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-14 00:24 MDT

Not entirely true. That black and white discard deck Naholmes was playing for a while was pretty good.
In playtesting, it had a 50/50 matchup versus Dov's deck.

Surprise>metagame

by DvK on 2006-12-14 08:03 MDT

It makes me so happy to see that there are still some reasonable people out there.

by Anubis_End on 2006-12-14 08:58 MDT

The rude rodent is about to be hanging upside down with a fork in his ass >:D.

Anywho, WELCOME BACK PV!

by sc4rs on 2006-12-14 12:22 MDT

On a lighter note, both of the scryb force decks suck balls. Your kill condition is a big, fucking target man. I can seek it, I can castigate it, I can stick up your ass and make you chew on it. All kinds of fun shit I can do to a nice thought for a deck. It might have an edge against White Weenie, BDW, and Grull, but it can't hope to get past anything that has a card that says: "Blow up target creature."
-Anubis_End

...you mean except the multiple Plaxmantas, Mystic Snakes, and Stonewood Invocations
they're playing? Besides, if Force was SO vital to the deck, they'd run 4. They each are running 3. It's good, but just because you Seek one out of their deck and gain five life has literally zero effect on their game plan. All it means is you cast a spell that says WB: Gain 5 life. Whoop de doo.
Hide//Seek is only good as sideboard tech against Dragonstorm or random other combo decks, because the only decks that have 6-8 CC cards are control decks that don't care where your life total is when they have total board control. Targeted removal meets a billion different prevention methods. And by the by, U/G S&G won one trial and came in 2nd and 3rd in this one. B/W control still hasn't been proven. Until you win a trial with it, I think you ought to stop being so cocky and bashing the decks that won.

Congrats to top 3 and welcome back/congrats PV.

by Anubis_End on 2006-12-14 12:35 MDT

turn 2: see opponents deck. If you look at it like a life gain and removal spell, then sure, I suppose there is no merit in seek, but this is a turn 2 card that gives you information beyond all information. I can know what you are playing, I can know what you sideboarded in, I can take care of a thread, I can get a good idea of what is in your hand, and I can gain life. That card is sick.

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-14 19:19 MDT

Sarcastic rat is far funnier than yourself, Anubis. Not saying who is better, etc but Rat is far more funny.

by Anubis_End on 2006-12-15 11:16 MDT

Says the man whose handle is "ChristPunchr", I'm not too concerned.

by ChristPunchr on 2006-12-15 23:59 MDT

Too bad you can go fuck yourself.

http://geocities.com/lambspoon/christpuncher.jpg

Pwn

by Finwe on 2006-12-21 21:26 MDT

i played against this deck when he was play testing it.. he had the persecute's main board and it single handedly won him each game and he admitted to it.. why he took them out main board is beyond me..

granted i was only playing soggy pickles.. but still

he his a good player.. but this deck isnt very difficult to play. when i replayed him with a deck that had WoG in it.. both times i couldnt ramp to the 2nd white mana and the eventual win

i agree the tendrils make it much better.. and i think persecute is needed

great idea that could be imporoved upon

by zoltros on 2006-12-24 09:02 MDT

"I am sorry I suck so bad at magic."

Rofl!

Good call there, nice poke at the meta.

Futhermore ,what does flaming accomplish except showing how u suk coz u didn't make it. Seriously - does the top players flame :P