by PolarBearGod on 2006-04-02 17:55 MDT

I'm sure I'm missing the obvious, but what's the Kirin for? The Mirror?

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by Alandariel on 2006-04-02 18:04 MDT

wtf

What an odd trial.

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by anatomyOF on 2006-04-02 18:42 MDT

Just plain weird. The single Kirin in the Ghost Dad is intrigueing, hmm I have no idea.

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by Manipulation on 2006-04-02 19:11 MDT

I never ran into it when I played him, but mana screw does tend to do that...

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by ChristPunchr on 2006-04-02 21:02 MDT

interesting lists. Kirin is definetly for the mirror match...well to be more specific; the match against more conventional BW decks, it is a pretty well recieved tweak to the deck on several forums.

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by Bejeezus on 2006-04-02 23:01 MDT

UWR Control is a very strong and underrated archtype in this metagame. And it's only going to get stronger with Dissension.

I like the Ghost Dad list, but I think x1 Celestial Kirin is probably to little. I think two should be a minimum maindeck for now.

'Gratz affinity104
- Bejeezus

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by super-gecko on 2006-04-02 23:07 MDT

Absolute blasphemy that pinkkis doesn't play firemane. Just had to say that...

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by ADraw- on 2006-04-03 00:31 MDT

No it's not blasphemy. Firemane is like GOOD good only in the mirror match, which you normally shouldn't see. Unfortunately, Pinkkis faced the mirror TWICE in the 5 or 6 rounds. The recurration ability costs way too much. It loses to every single dragon in combat, which Descendant does also, but a) Descendant survives Wildfire b) has teh guts synergy with Meloku c) brings you out of burn range against zoo/gruul d) is your best win condition against Owling Mine e) he rapes any aggro that doesn't run the full discard package etc. Why Meloku should be played should be obvious (note that Affinity didn't play him). Meloku just wins so many games and he has to be answered very quickly. The deck isn't actually optimal for the mirror match, but we didn't expect to see any mirrors out there. In fact, we hadn't faced a single mirror whole day before the trial.

And yes, I was in the same room with Pinkkis during the trial (well, most of the time anyway). He can confirm that if you don't believe me.

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by Alandariel on 2006-04-03 02:14 MDT

I don't believe you.

^.^

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by Walaoumpa on 2006-04-03 03:16 MDT

What do you guys think about the MD tech of giant solifuge?

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by ChristPunchr on 2006-04-03 04:04 MDT

"Meh" on the solifuge tech.

As for the strengthening of this archetype with dissension's release...yeah, it'll become alot stronger because people will drop the red. Few Uwr decks didn't place terribly well in Honolulu for a reason.

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by Dzy on 2006-04-03 05:19 MDT

Meloku > Firemane any day

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by ADraw- on 2006-04-03 06:28 MDT

@Dzy: Agreed. Meloku is just waaaay better.
@Alandariel: You saw me play the exact same decklist when you decided to be an asshole (sorry, but you know you were) in that saturday trial.
@ChristPunchr: Yeah, the reason being that their builds weren't exactly optimal. And if there isn't something ridicolous in the UW guild, I think the red splash will stay
@General: We've been discussing with Pinkkis about a few changes to the deck (for example, Descendant isn't that good in the current meta) and that transformational sideboard didn't work the way we wanted.

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by Rotstejn on 2006-04-03 06:31 MDT

Meloku in a deck full off land is a bad matchupp for Zoo/Gruul :D

Seriously: I think meloku is one of the best cards in T2 and it really beat everything that is a bit aggro, it's 100 % better then the firemane angel, but the angel isn't bad 2 ...

Greets FlyingFreak

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by Dan_G on 2006-04-03 06:35 MDT

wheres the zur's weirding

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by Meatwarz on 2006-04-03 08:36 MDT

WUR? Hmm..good metagame choise when now the Meta is full of BW Aggros...


>>e) he rapes any aggro that doesn't run the full discard package etc.<<
Not really right...

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by Pinkkis on 2006-04-03 13:03 MDT

When I played against affinity I mulliganed to 3 in first game and 5 in second :P. In mirror thats pretty bad (and Affinity was playing better version if you think about mirror). So i actually had no chances at all. And with my luck it was gg.

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by Shagrath on 2006-04-03 13:46 MDT

solifurge in main with this current metagame? omg

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by Spacies on 2006-04-03 18:00 MDT

In the pt there were only 2 wur decks played and one got 15th spot the other went 0-x drop lol played by julien n, and yea there lists werent exactly optimal as stated earlier.

Solfuge blongs in sb you dont want him in your hand vs agro decks which are like 70% of the metagame.

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by 3BlackKnight on 2006-04-03 18:25 MDT

I know I played a URW Control with Wierding this weekend and it did awsome. Had problems with IzzetTron and B/W control but that is fixable.

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by synch987 on 2006-04-10 10:03 MDT

there has to be a better name than WUR control, maybe giant angel control for the winner

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