Coboney's Musings: Why Mythics are Bad for Magic

Written by coboney on May 07, 2010


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by Nogginwack on 2010-05-07 03:26 CET

***Trolling is a nono


by Sebas_ on 2010-05-07 03:30 CET

Coboney


by iMrAnderson on 2010-05-07 06:46 CET

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr334

This now leads us to the next question: How are cards split between rare and mythic rare? Or more to the point, what kind of cards are going to become mythic rares? We want the flavor of mythic rare to be something that feels very special and unique. Generally speaking we expect that to mean cards like Planeswalkers, most legends, and epic-feeling creatures and spells. They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards.

"They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards."

"most powerful tournament-level cards"

ALA: Elspeth, Knight-Errant
M10: Baneslayer Angel
ZEN: Iona, Shield of Emeria
WWK: Jace, the Mind Sculptor****
ROE: Gideon Jura

****look here "http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/events.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/amsterdam10ptq/welcome"

****and show me a 1st place deck that doesn't have Jace, the Mind Sculptor in it... or one of the other mentioned cards above.


"They will not just be a list of each set's most powerful tournament-level cards." - eat your words Wizards.


by coboney on 2010-05-07 07:28 CET

Well they did say that Planeswalkers would be mythic, which is true. Iona I can see as a fatty, cards like Baneslayer, Vengevine and Lotus Cobra though are much less 'mythic'.

Overall the issue is that the rarity is going to create great accessibility issues and this is the first season we truly see that.

Whether Wizards misled with their statement of no Staples or not is a matter of debate on what the term Staples means in a lot of ways. I tend to think they didn't out and out lie but their term of staple clearly does not mesh with the general publics.

I also find their attitude of treating the secondary market as if it does not truly exist as wrong, and cavalier but that is an opinion.


by lovehater on 2010-05-07 12:49 CET

@ iMrAnderson

RDW has none of that cards =D


by OldBear on 2010-05-07 12:53 CET

I agree mythics are a huge problem particular as a kids, I mean I remeber my parents setting a rule that I could not spend more than £3 on any single on card. Sure i broke that a few times but it stopped me spending silly money on just one card. The mythics are def making tourni level play less accessible for young players.


by TugaChampion on 2010-05-07 13:38 CET

I think mythics shouldn't even exist. It makes every good planeswalker very expensive as well as legends and those epic spells that happen to be good.

But considering mythics to exist lotus cobra and vengevine shouldn't be mythic. They have somewhat unique abilities but nothing epic or completly different from everything. Lotus Cobra is another accelerant and it has landfall which many creatures have in the same set. Vengevine has a recurring abilitie which has been in many cards over the years.

Baneslayer is certainly epic. Without the 2 random protections it would still be as good as it is and would probably not be mythic. Either way it started as a $5 card, so if players thought it wasn't good enough at first I understand why Wizards thought the same (they tend to miss stuff while the players will eventually find it).

Iona is certainly mythic as well as those huge eldrazi. They cost a lot of mana and they have huge abilities. They're mostly gonna be cheated into play so they won't fit in many decks.

Overall it's just one more thing that wasn't needed. Mythics weren't needed and M10 rules weren't needed. In the end M10 rules have been having way less impact in the game than mythics.


by Tao on 2010-05-07 14:15 CET

What Tuga said. I didn't even realize Vengevines were mythic until someone pointed it out to me. It certainly doesn't do anything to merit it's being mythic and I'm not going to spend 30 beans on a 4/3 with haste. I can eat for three days with that money. Thats just stupid.

Whatever. I've come to expect businesses to lie to me for profit. And that's exactly what's going on here.


by LordLink on 2010-05-07 15:31 CET

Ben Bleweiss wrote a good article on how it is now cheaper to buy the entire set than it has been historically. Doesn't help if all you want is a U/W deck though.

Lotus Cobra and Baneslayer both feel mythic to me. One is a massive angel and the other "turns all your fetchlands into black lotuses".

Vengevine is just the annoying one, Jund Hackblade feels more mythic than that bastard.


by SaTiVa on 2010-05-07 16:41 CET

so things get more expensive over time who woulda thunk... better let the economists know there is time value to money


by Lynolf on 2010-05-07 17:09 CET

LOL, thunk...


by iMrAnderson on 2010-05-07 19:43 CET

this is an awesome article too

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/19304_You_Lika_The_Juice_Mythics_the_Cost_of_Playing.html


by on 2010-05-08 03:23 CET

news bulletin:
05-08-10 ---- Bloodbraid Elf has been errata'd to "Mythic" rarity and only newly issued copies of said card will be tournament legal from this date.
Newly released premium collector sets include--- FtV:401 Fund
FtV:Stockholders Happy Hour
FtV:Oh who cares at this point why hide it


by Zeph on 2010-05-08 03:24 CET

I still can't access to the coverage site. Some server errors.

@Tuga: M10 rules made game a lot simpler, Mythic cards on the other hand are mainly moneymakers justified (no matter how good or credible the arguments are) with tons of articles written by WoTC R&D team. In fact, if you check carefully, M10 rules were sort of a smoke curtain for Mythic cards. New rules were a good addition, but they were the nice face hiding the knife.


by AlexTrebek on 2010-05-09 09:01 CET

Wizards definitely should be running Legacy at this point. At least when you put together a Legacy deck, you know that 95% of the time your purchases won't be useless in 12 months.


by Khudzlin on 2010-05-09 09:05 CET

A lot of "M10 rules" are a return to pre-6th rules: combat damage not going on the stack (the stack wasn't formalized, but nothing could be cast "in response to combat damage"), attacker's choice of order when facing multiple defenders...

As someone who stopped playing before 6th was released and started again with M10, I wasn't much surprised by anything in the core rules (mostly the merging of interrupts and mana sources with instants), but I was astonished to learn combat damage *had* been stacked previously (it struck me as totally weird).


by Kytep on 2010-05-09 16:13 CET

It seems clear to me that Wizards is behaving very rationally - they are in business to make a profit for their shareholders, and they're doing what they believe will best accomplish that objective (have high-profile tournaments that generates a big following, print very rare cards which are needed in many cases to compete in those tournaments so that you sell more boxes of cards as people chase these mythics, and rotate the sets so people always need more mythics).

Maybe there's a better way for WotC to make money, maybe there isn't. But this seems pretty effective to me (despite the howls of protest, people keep buying the cards!).

I doubt that concept is really eluding people here (even those who say it is "stupid" for WotC to print mythics); I think what people are really saying is, "I want my cards to be cheaper" - which really means, "I want WotC to give up some of their profit potential and instead leave the money for ME"

And if they did, their shareholders would cry foul just like some MtG players are today.

Everyone wants the same dollar, and they cast the other side as "greedy" for wanting that dollar, even when they're committing the same "sin" of wanting that dollar too.

PS: For those of you who think that all of this is making WotC (Hasbro) shareholders ridiculously rich (see "Happy Hour" comment, above), why don't you join them by buying Hasbro stock (instead of spending your $ on Baneslayers, etc.)? Then, you can become rich yourselves and afford all the mythics you want - and then some! Hasbro IS publicly traded, after all (ticker symbol: HAS)...


by dcheppy on 2010-05-09 20:25 CET

I'm cool with Mythics being tourney staples as long as wizards has the wherewithal to figure out which ones that'll happen to, and reprint as prerelease/release promos and cards in products like duel decks. This goes a long way to depressing prices on the most popular Mythics. But as long as more people keep buying packs prices will go down.(wizards can help by continuing to design good sets that encourage people to play limited.)

Jace was a mistake because it was released in a set that was drafted in small numbers. This is offset a little by the smaller set size but not enough as is evident by his prices. Lets hope to see him reprinted in some sort of product before he rotates from standard.

Baneslayer will be fine. I'm assuming that wizards plans to reprint her in the next few upcoming core sets. This will add more supply to the market and will drive her price down. If this is not the plan, then she too was probably a mistake.

Vengevine will go down in price. Gideon Jura is a bigger concern. But ROE looks to be drafted in big numbers so we'll hope for the best. I'm thinking planeswalkers are going to need heavier color commitments to keep them from going into too many decks in the future. Jace at 1UUU could have gone a long way at keeping his price down, but maybe not. 1UUU wasn't too tough for cryptic command.

High prices on the secondary market is not good for Wizards as it drives people away from the game so its in their best interest to keep an eye on the market for cards.


by Jacois on 2010-05-09 21:14 CET

If you can't afford a card, don't buy it.


by Conkisstador on 2010-05-10 19:59 CET

i'm sick of everyone who tells Wizards to eat their words. They haven't gone against their word. Kargan is mythic in proportion, so are planeswalkers, so is Rafiq... and so is Eternity Vessel and Eye of Ugin. It works. If you want to get cards for cheaper go draft more. They're not exhorbitant... I have not paid for a magic card since 2007 and I afforded 4 people their decks at 5k/PTQ boston last weekend.
mythic bant
rwb planeswalkers
2x monored

all from my collection.


by OldBear on 2010-05-12 22:28 CET

Yeah i did not draft WWK anywhere near as much as I normaly it draft a set. The whole Zen block draft format, made me empthasis with all those women who complain when its over in five minutes. I genuniely found myself asking the very question is that it? after some drafts lol.


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